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Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by Robotbeat »

sigotirandolas wrote: post #31
LurkersWillLurk wrote: post #4

We need to push back on this nonsense in journalism in which journalists don't include a link to the opinion when writing an article describing that opinion. There is not enough information included in the article to meaningfully comment on the situation. Edit: here is the order, which is very short: https://www.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.dcd.222257/... The opinion is under seal, and the parties have been d…

Amen. It's very frustrating when you're skeptical of a news item and it's essentially impossible to find the original source as it is not linked and apparently impossible to find with the information given. It doesn't stop the item from trending on social media if it sounds good though.

Worse is when you agree with the reporting but don’t follow up to check as there’s no link.

The problem with not having a link isn't when you're already skeptical but when you aren't.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by mechnesium »

dilap wrote: post #126

It's strange how so many in the US have adopted the mindset that it's important, for national security, to deny its citizens access to foreign social networks. Previously, when China did the same, this was widely viewed as an unfortunate restriction their freedoms -- the actions of an intrusive, authoritarian government. Now that the US is itself considering doing the same, many in the west have suddenly adopted the…

It’s possible that the United States will resemble China once its population reaches a comparable size. China may simply the next evolution of what the US will become, and if it happens slowly enough, no one will do anything about it. Conway’s Game of Life on the scale of a nation state, where the US is currently in late-stage capitalism.

Late-stage capitalism, per Wikipedia:

> Since 2016, the term has been used in the United States and Canada to refer to perceived absurdities, contradictions, crises, injustices, and inequality created by modern business development.

Sounds just like this TikTok fiasco.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by shadowgovt »

Fjolsvith wrote: post #499
slavak wrote: post #470

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Every single secure facility I've ever been to required you to leave your phone at the gate, and this was pre-smartphone days. The more serious ones prohibited even disk-on-keys.If you're relying on kids keeping their phones secure for your national security, you've already lost.

I thought this was the reason for the ban.

I would believe that this is what the executive said was the reason for the ban.

This administration has a significant pattern of their actual reasons deviating from their stated ones.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by Invictus0 »

zmmmmm wrote: post #51
localhost wrote: post #20

Unlike some other commenters below, I don't believe that this is a privacy issue. Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue because TikTok is controllable by the CCP which is ideologically opposed to the United States. The next global conflict will likely be one between the east and the west, with control of information being advantageous to both sides in the conflict. China already blocks the western I…

> Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue Are you uncomfortable adopting that belief with literally no concrete evidence that anything of the sort is actually occurring? I don't know how you reconcile rule of law with such drastic interventions in the rights of companies without evidence of wrongdoing. If anything you can come up with in your most paranoid fantasies can be the basis of shutting down a…

Why does the government need to provide you with evidence? The government has access to intelligence that citizens do not have, and elected representatives must be trusted to manage that intelligence properly.

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Post by daniellarusso »

nemetroid wrote: post #490
mschuster91 wrote: post #352

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There are few, if none Chinese apps that have that level of market domination TikTok has.

And? Should there be a threshold of popularity above which you are not allowed to operate at all, but less popular apps are fine?

I like that idea.

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Post by lalaland1125 »

Chakazul wrote: post #462
Talanes wrote: post #447

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> they’ve for instance chosen to omit the fact that the Wuhan Virus originated in China. Any social media platforms using the term "Wuhan Virus" would be a bigger sign of governmental propaganda than the lack is.

For the record, "Wuhan Pneumonia" and "Wuhan Virus" were widely used by official news coverage in Taiwan, Hong Kong, and guess what, Mainland China, before the WHO suddenly dictated all people must use "Covid-19" or else you're racist or propagandist. This trick is very effective in erasing the obvious link between the virus and its origin.

Yes, of course the goal is to erase the "obvious link" between the virus and the its origin. The thing is, people are irrational and will start discriminating in weird and unnecessary ways based on where a virus came from.

See https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2020/03/20/coronavirus...

Nobody is trying to erase "history" or anything. Anybody actually interested can always read about the origin location of the virus in Wikipedia. This is all about keeping things straightforward for the otherwise uninformed.

Note that this is a standard virus naming methodology. The Ebola virus was similarly intentionally named to avoid unintentionally creating a target for discrimination.

Re: Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

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Post by danShumway »

thesz wrote: post #496
johnday wrote: post #488

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The quote you pulled spells it out: - Social priming does not replicate; - Social psychology has a replicability rate of 25%.

Let me offer you other quote from different link [1] (Nature): "Equipped with more-rigorous statistical methods, researchers are finding that social-priming effects do exist, but seem to vary between people and are smaller than first thought, Papies says." [1] https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-019-03755-2 Effects do exist.

> but seem to vary between people and are smaller than first thought, Papies says. She and others think that social priming might survive as a set of more modest, yet more rigorous, findings.

You linked the full statement, and then focused in on only two words of that statement for your comment.

What about the linked article makes us think that this is something that the US government has the authority to step in and ban? We should skirt both the 1st Amendment and the free market over a social theory that might survive as a set of modest findings?

It's good that the courts are blocking this in the absence of a specific, credible threat. "Some effects do exist, but we don't really know what they are, and they're a lot more modest than the scare effects that people are familiar with" is not a specific, credible threat.

The threat of allowing the US government to get comfortable exercising ever more invasive control over the free market for questionable reasons, to the point of turning off or banning widely used communication channels -- that's a much more tangible threat than what I'm seeing linked in your article.

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Post by [deleted] »

localhost wrote: post #20

Unlike some other commenters below, I don't believe that this is a privacy issue. Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue because TikTok is controllable by the CCP which is ideologically opposed to the United States. The next global conflict will likely be one between the east and the west, with control of information being advantageous to both sides in the conflict. China already blocks the western I…

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Post by daniellarusso »

082349872349872 wrote: post #361
jhardy54 wrote: post #303

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> TikTok is the generation that is most malleable to propaganda in a way that can undermine an entire generation Citation needed. Come on.

My optimistic side says that if 60 second short videos were ideologically useful, CIA (or your favourite "They") would have weaponised them back in the 1960s[1]. My pessimistic side says they probably are, and maybe they even did. https://www.thinkbox.tv/research/thinkbox-research/a-matter-... [1] CIA didn't exist before 1947, so it would have to have been a different they for late 1920s, or even a different medium f…

What about four 30 second videos, and we show them between longer pieces of content (approx. 7 minutes)?

Would that influence anybody?

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Post by infinity0 »

abc-xyz wrote: post #460
FooBarWidget wrote: post #459

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Inside China, Bytedance's founder is known as pro-US. They've publicly made pro-US statements. Furthermore, the CCP has 90+ million members. With the number of employees that Bytedance has in China, you'd expect — by proportion — that they have thousands of employees that are CCP members. But it's just a couple of hundred. Bytedance's founder has made an effort to make this a global company, not a Chinese company, no…

> ByteDance has had a party committee since 2017 and is headed by CCP secretary and company editor-in-chief Zhang Fuping (張輔評), reported Human Rights Watch. Members of the committee hold regular gatherings at which they study speeches by Chinese Chairman Xi Jinping (習近平) and "pledge to follow the party in technological innovation." > In addition, ByteDance on April 25, 2019, signed a strategic cooperation agreement w…

And lots of companies are run by Republicans, what's your point? The sheer amount of head-in-the-sand hypocrisy is incredible.
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