French fathers will now get 28 days of paternity leave

Post by gnicholas » Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 6:15 AM UTC

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> Honestly for the vast majority of births the father is unnecessary to be there after two weeks. The child spends the first month basically eating and sleeping. The father needs to be there to help the mother while she recovers. So are you saying the father doesn't need to be there for the child after two weeks? Or are you saying he only needs to be there to help the mother after two weeks? I've heard of some matern…

If the mother is at home with the child and is recovered. My toddlers did not require two full time adults taking care of them. For the parents I know who did that, they were 100% helicoptering over them.

Post by gnicholas » Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 6:22 AM UTC

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Paternity leave can be a great thing for father/child bonding, and for equalizing opportunity for women (who face greater social/practical pressure to take their leave), who can fall behind male colleagues by taking their leave. Unfortunately, it's hard to force men to take their leave, and in the US a lot of men don't because it is frowned upon socially in many companies. One possible way to incentivize men to take…

"Unfortunately, it's hard to force men to take their leave" There's no reason to force anyone to do this. The statement is dystopian. If you offer it to people, and they legit don't want to take it, anything beyond that you're the problem, not the solution.

Post by rapsey » Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 6:23 AM UTC

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If the mother is at home with the child and is recovered. My toddlers did not require two full time adults taking care of them. For the parents I know who did that, they were 100% helicoptering over them.

That's great for you! Many babies cry a lot and make it difficult for one parent to care for them, shop for groceries, prepare food, etc. My friends and I have found that mothers who are nursing at all hours are generally too tired to do everything else around the house, especially if there are other kids. Glad to hear there are some folks whose kids don't require as much care, but I'd say most moms would say that th…

Post by rapsey » Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 6:25 AM UTC

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It may not be politically correct. But the vast majority of women prefer prioritizing their children over their careers. The vast majority of men prefer being the provider for their families. > Unfortunately, it's hard to force men to take their leave How about we don't force people into things.

Notice that my suggestion doesn't force people to do things.

Post by gnicholas » Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 6:38 AM UTC

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That's great for you! Many babies cry a lot and make it difficult for one parent to care for them, shop for groceries, prepare food, etc. My friends and I have found that mothers who are nursing at all hours are generally too tired to do everything else around the house, especially if there are other kids. Glad to hear there are some folks whose kids don't require as much care, but I'd say most moms would say that th…

If the father is working that does not mean he is absent for the entire day and unavailable to help at all. > shop for groceries, prepare food Can be done at any time of the day (you know prepare and reheat later) and by any of the parents. Even if one of them is absent for 8 hours.