Judge temporarily blocks U.S. ban on TikTok downloads from U.S. app stores

Post by blackoil » Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 2:34 AM UTC

localhost wrote: post #20

Unlike some other commenters below, I don't believe that this is a privacy issue. Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue because TikTok is controllable by the CCP which is ideologically opposed to the United States. The next global conflict will likely be one between the east and the west, with control of information being advantageous to both sides in the conflict. China already blocks the western I…

Post by p1necone » Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 2:36 AM UTC

revnode wrote: post #62

zmmmmm wrote: post #51

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> Instead, I believe that it is a national security issue Are you uncomfortable adopting that belief with literally no concrete evidence that anything of the sort is actually occurring? I don't know how you reconcile rule of law with such drastic interventions in the rights of companies without evidence of wrongdoing. If anything you can come up with in your most paranoid fantasies can be the basis of shutting down a…

> shutting down a company It's not a company. It's a division of a foreign government. That was the point being made. If it was an independent company, none of this would be happening.

Post by jjulius » Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 2:37 AM UTC

bduerst wrote: post #132

devwastaken wrote: post #101

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Any business with china is a national security issue. There's plenty of evidence to the level of dictatorship in China. It's your responsibility to look at its history and make reasonable conclusions from it. If you want some sort of smoking gun evidence you're not going to find it, unless you somehow have a security clearance in China good enough to gain knowledge about their operations. It's a Chinese company, they…

>It's a Chinese company, they have privledges, not rights. Neither Bytedance nor TikTok are Chinese companies. It's true that Bytedance has buildings in Beijing, and a Chinese app (Taotiao) that is a Chinese subsidiary, but Bytedance is a Cayman's Islands company and TikTok doesn't even have servers inside China. For purposes of the Chinese National Intelligence Law compelling the company to share user information wi…

Post by jjulius » Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 2:40 AM UTC

bduerst wrote: post #142

revnode wrote: post #62

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> shutting down a company It's not a company. It's a division of a foreign government. That was the point being made. If it was an independent company, none of this would be happening.

Bytedance is not owned by the Chinese government. It's an independent company, as is TikTok.

Post by pcbro141 » Mon, Sep 28, 2020, 2:43 AM UTC

mdorazio wrote: post #164

pcbro141 wrote: post #113

Pornhub is a foreign company, perhaps Trump should ban that too. It could be a national security threat for a foreign company to know the porn habits of government officials, they could use that to blackmail military generals and the like. /sarcasm

This is a poor argument, including the sarcasm. Pornhub is a Canadian company. Last time I checked, Canada was still a democratic country with an ideology roughly aligned with that of the US.