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Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

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Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

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The part near the end of the article is confusing. >While this reaction by the hotel does sound excessive I’d give them the benefit of the doubt that this guest behaved like a total idiot while at the property and then turned around with very unflattering descriptions and manufactured truths aka lies about this resort. He then refused to discuss the matter with the hotel and instead of stopping even accelerated his o…

>What's he trying to say? That even if you're right, you shouldn't write a bad review because the justice system is corrupt and you're going to end up in jail anyways? Yes, even if you're right, you shouldn't write a bad review because the justice system is corrupt.

Just wait until you're home to write the review

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

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The part near the end of the article is confusing. >While this reaction by the hotel does sound excessive I’d give them the benefit of the doubt that this guest behaved like a total idiot while at the property and then turned around with very unflattering descriptions and manufactured truths aka lies about this resort. He then refused to discuss the matter with the hotel and instead of stopping even accelerated his o…

For anyone looking to dig deeper into the allegations of corruption on the islands and how it may have contributed to the murder of the couple in 2014, this is a good place to start:

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/23/briton-thail...

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

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I'm not surprised. I had some crazy experiences in Thailand. Once the floor dropped out in our bungalow, as I was stepping on it. Sheer luck that I didn't fall through and cut myself open on the exposed building material. Trying to explain this to the owner and they accused us of breaking the floor and wanted to charge for it. Another time we wanted them to order a cab for us but they insisted we use their limo servi…

> raising your voice and gesticulating in their culture is really frowned upon. Where do people not frown upon that? Would you like someone raising their voice and waving their arms around in front of you? > It can get pretty frustrating communicating with someone who doesn't understand. Did you try speaking their language?

When I'm watching to some Italians communicating with each other, sometimes I think that they're going to start a fight, while they're just merely chit-chatting. Cultures are very different around the world.

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

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Pro Tip: leave your reviews after the stay. Another pro tip: know the local laws. American’s are THE WORST overseas because we think ‘Merica way of life is world wide. No, it isn’t, and you’d to well to humble yourself, learn the local laws, conduct yourself as if you were at Nana’s house. Wheaton’s law: “Don’t be a dick”. But Thailand’s defamation laws, online laws, and more kinda turn me off from visiting. Granted…

Well, being dick shouldn't put you in jail.

That’s a very Western point of view and not held by much of the world.

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

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The part near the end of the article is confusing. >While this reaction by the hotel does sound excessive I’d give them the benefit of the doubt that this guest behaved like a total idiot while at the property and then turned around with very unflattering descriptions and manufactured truths aka lies about this resort. He then refused to discuss the matter with the hotel and instead of stopping even accelerated his o…

The defamation laws in Thailand are pretty terrible. For starters, they have both civil and criminal defamation statutes (and criminal defamation statutes are already pretty bad). The thing that makes it really bad though, is that truth is not always a defence for criminal defamation offences. The law is something to the effect of "disclosing private matters can be defamation even if it's true". I've read a few of ar…

The law is something to the effect of "disclosing private matters can be defamation even if it's true".

That's common in many countries. "It's true" is only a valid defense if you're accusing someone of a crime.

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In what way would you ever rationalize putting someone in prison for a bad review?

I'm not convinced that defamation laws are absolutely abhorrent. It's possible to ruin someone's life with verbal harassment, especially when given amplified powers via social media.

That is a false dichotomy. No one said anything about defamation laws in general and this is a business not a person.

They told the police that what he said was untrue and the police came to his work and put him in prison.

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

The defamation laws in Thailand are pretty terrible. For starters, they have both civil and criminal defamation statutes (and criminal defamation statutes are already pretty bad). The thing that makes it really bad though, is that truth is not always a defence for criminal defamation offences. The law is something to the effect of "disclosing private matters can be defamation even if it's true". I've read a few of ar…

Japan’s application of anti-defamation laws seems similar[0]. That is, unless this case got special treatment due to the alleged corruption of Thai justice system. [0] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23935469

That certainly wouldn't be surprising, but these laws do routinely treat Thai citizens as badly as they treat anybody else. He's likely not in for particularly fair treatment in any case.

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

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Pro Tip: leave your reviews after the stay. Another pro tip: know the local laws. American’s are THE WORST overseas because we think ‘Merica way of life is world wide. No, it isn’t, and you’d to well to humble yourself, learn the local laws, conduct yourself as if you were at Nana’s house. Wheaton’s law: “Don’t be a dick”. But Thailand’s defamation laws, online laws, and more kinda turn me off from visiting. Granted…

I feel like if leaving a one-star review of Google Maps can put you in jail in Thailand, it is highly irresponsible and unethical of Google to allow leaving reviews in Thailand. They should remove review feature entirely for Thailand, or disable lower ratings, or show a giant flashing warning explaining what you are risking by leaving the review.

On top of that they could scratch the review score for this property, remove the possibility to review it and put in a story about how a guest was arrested and jailed for posting a review. Google didn't cause this but they could have a part in stamping out this problem.

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>What's he trying to say? That even if you're right, you shouldn't write a bad review because the justice system is corrupt and you're going to end up in jail anyways? Yes, even if you're right, you shouldn't write a bad review because the justice system is corrupt.

Just wait until you're home to write the review

And don't go back

Re: Hotel guest in Thailand jailed for defamation after posting bad online reviews

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Thailand is the country where the price made their pet dog a high ranking member of the military. I present to you: Air Chief Marshal Fufu! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fufu_(dog)

Thais have been embarrassed by the prince many times, though his father, the king was generally very respected. I don't think most would want all of thailand to be judged on the prince's antics.
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