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Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by HashingtheCode »

Miraste wrote: post #129
HashingtheCode wrote: post #102

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It's possible, maybe not very likely but possible. Depends what happens to FF.

No, it's not. Mozilla has 750 employees (not all of whom work on the browser, but still) and hundreds of millions of dollars and they're constantly struggling to keep up with Chrome. 9 part-time devs cannot do this.

They can. Maybe releases would be every 6 months but it's possible.

Look at the following browsers: Otter Browser Min Qutebrowser Links Basalisk Surf Bromite (only has 7 contributers)

It is possible. Of course it's possible. Just depends if that situation were ever to occur, whether people would become passionate about that project

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by kevingadd »

Kiro wrote: post #137
skybrian wrote: post #112

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A 10-15% speed bump in CPU performance is certainly nice but in most cases it's not going to be something that users are consciously aware of. Web page performance varies a lot due to network performance, new versions of websites being deployed, different ads being served, and so on. This noise obscures things enough that it probably won't be easy to attribute a change in performance to the browser if you're not look…

I'm dealing with a Firefox issue where painting on canvas with a CSS filter is magnitudes slower than Chrome. It makes my app almost unusable for Firefox users. Improving the performance would certainly make users notice since it's one of the most common complaints.

Stuff like CSS filters is generally going to be down to lack of GPU acceleration or video driver shenanigans, though some obscure filters still run on the CPU. If you run a filter on the entire page for example (some addons do this) it pessimizes rendering in a bad, noticeable way.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by Miraste »

Dahoon wrote: post #149
Miraste wrote: post #130

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If you have the ram firefox will eat it, I've seen it use well over 10 before. Chromiums do the same thing, though.

BS. Currently browsing HN, Google groups, Gitlab x2. Extensions enabled: Bypass paywall, Decentraleyes, Youtube enhancer, Facebook containers, Flagfox, Google container, HTTPS everywhere, Location guard, Sponsorblock and Ublock Origin Only using a few hundred MB atm: https://imgur.com/i6DYG69

You're responding to something I didn't say. GP was talking about memory usage with 500 tabs, with which Firefox will absolutely eat some RAM. Right now I have 200 and it's using 6.3gb.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by ivancho »

celdon25 wrote: post #100
josh2600 wrote: post #89

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Google needs Firefox to exist for anti-trust reasons. If they don’t buy fire fox’s traffic, bing will.

Isn't that the very definition of a "trust"?

Not according to some very well-paid lawyers, so I guess no.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by billiam »

gkoberger wrote: post #143
bigyikes wrote: post #118

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Wow, did that help business, or was it more of a vanity thing? I was thinking domains didn’t matter all that much.

I think pg sums it up the best: http://www.paulgraham.com/name.html "The problem with not having the .com of your name is that it signals weakness. Unless you're so big that your reputation precedes you, a marginal domain suggests you're a marginal company." I'd say there's a few major reasons: protecting the name and signaling we're a real company to larger corporations. For us, we also host websites that allows JS/…

Whew, that is the sentiment of a true plutocrat and elitist. You're weak unless you're rich and pay to rent in the good part of town. Sure, it's desirable to look serious to commercial partners and investors, but mostly it's an Internet branding tax. Most of your customers will Google your site.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by Miraste »

HashingtheCode wrote: post #151
Miraste wrote: post #129

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No, it's not. Mozilla has 750 employees (not all of whom work on the browser, but still) and hundreds of millions of dollars and they're constantly struggling to keep up with Chrome. 9 part-time devs cannot do this.

They can. Maybe releases would be every 6 months but it's possible. Look at the following browsers: Otter Browser Min Qutebrowser Links Basalisk Surf Bromite (only has 7 contributers) It is possible. Of course it's possible. Just depends if that situation were ever to occur, whether people would become passionate about that project

We're talking about different things. I'm sure the LibreWolf team could develop a browser that meets some specifications and renders some websites some of the time. What they can't build is a Chrome competitor. It would become an often-broken hobby project only used by enthusiasts, like the others you've listed.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by emayljames »

stjohnswarts wrote: post #136
ATsch wrote: post #28

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I think it will take more time to say that for certain. Warp is an exception, but most of the recent improvements to Firefox were initially prototyped and developed in the experimental Servo engine which was to my knowledge intended to eventually replace all of gecko. Most of the team for that has been let go. I think the thing to be worried about is: what will happen when they run out of stuff that's already in the…

Initially it was an option to become the engine, then after a time it simply became the place to try and engines and they said it would never be the "new" browser engine. It was a prototyping area.

Successful parts of Servo where integrated in Gecko, as was intended. So, in a way Gecko is largely Servo.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by gkoberger »

billiam wrote: post #155
gkoberger wrote: post #143

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I think pg sums it up the best: http://www.paulgraham.com/name.html "The problem with not having the .com of your name is that it signals weakness. Unless you're so big that your reputation precedes you, a marginal domain suggests you're a marginal company." I'd say there's a few major reasons: protecting the name and signaling we're a real company to larger corporations. For us, we also host websites that allows JS/…

Whew, that is the sentiment of a true plutocrat and elitist. You're weak unless you're rich and pay to rent in the good part of town. Sure, it's desirable to look serious to commercial partners and investors, but mostly it's an Internet branding tax. Most of your customers will Google your site.

Yikes. It's just a business doing business things. You can put away the guillotine; it's just a domain name.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by avery42 »

Nextgrid wrote: post #126
skybrian wrote: post #112

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A 10-15% speed bump in CPU performance is certainly nice but in most cases it's not going to be something that users are consciously aware of. Web page performance varies a lot due to network performance, new versions of websites being deployed, different ads being served, and so on. This noise obscures things enough that it probably won't be easy to attribute a change in performance to the browser if you're not look…

If they want to actually improve user experience they can always include uBlock Origin by default - its permissive license should allow this just fine.

I wonder if blocking Google Analytics by default would affect their default search engine deal with Google...
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