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Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by olejorgenb »

bobthepanda wrote: post #63
olejorgenb wrote: post #46

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Agreed - what I don't get is: ( https://www.theregister.com/2020/08/14/mozilla_google_search... ) However, our source told us Moz will likely pocket $400m to $450m a year between now and 2023 from the arrangement, citing internal discussions held earlier this year. (... snip ...) According to the organization's latest financial figures [PDF], $430m of its 2018 total revenue of $451m came from those internet giants –…

Re format, I mostly see people use markdown syntax. > This is not a real pretty quote. > But the good news is that even in uninterpreted form form markdown is pretty readable.

It's good for short quotes, but without hardwrapping I doesn't quite work for full paragraphs. (Hardwrapping is bad for narrow screens)

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by danso »

HashingtheCode wrote: post #59
Rolcol wrote: post #39

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You claim it's dead, but suggest using a fork that can't hope to keep up if Firefox dies? They benefit from all the architectural improvements done to Firefox, including this.

You don't have a high opinion of the LibreWolf team. Did you know that I can still use a web browser from the last decade to surf websites? Yup. Even if FF dies, the codebase is opensource and continue to be developed.

The repo's members page [0] shows 9 users, and the first bullet point on its features page [1] is: LibreWolf is compiled directly from the latest build of Firefox Stable. You will have the the latest features, and security updates.. You believe a small group of well-intentioned volunteers can continue the work of building and iterating a modern web browser were Firefox development to end today?

[0] https://gitlab.com/groups/librewolf-community/browser/-/grou...

[1] https://librewolf-community.gitlab.io/docs/

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by Weebs »

jjordan wrote: post #11

It's nice to see some actual good news involving Firefox. With all of the leadership and financial struggles lately, it's made me worry that the browser I've been using for the last 17 years doesn't have long to live. Hopefully that is not the case.

Is there any way we as a community of users can help ensure Firefox remains viable in the event that Mozilla can no longer provide enough support?

It seems a shame that such a loved & enjoyed project might fall wayside without significant financial backing. I would say I would love to help, but I have no domain expertise in browsers/rendering, or how I would develop enough to contribute.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by mceachen »

toxik wrote: post #88
wizzwizz4 wrote: post #83

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The syntax was in emails before Markdown. I will loudly declare that it was invented in emails so that somebody will add the immediate predecessor, and so on until we end up at an original source.

News groups?

Nope, email via arpanet (1973) preceeded usenet (1980).

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by pizlonator »

jandem wrote: post #82
pizlonator wrote: post #55

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Yeah. That’s a massive speedup for Speedometer. It’s a big deal and everyone who contributed should be super proud. JSC is pretty well tuned for it, finding a 0.5% speedup is hard. So seeing 10% speedups is impressive and rare. Of course, it’s possible that they are just catching up so they found the low hanging fruit - but also possible that they can leapfrog JSC (I haven’t measured if this gets them there or not).

> It’s a big deal and everyone who contributed should be super proud. Thanks! We actually haven't really analyzed Speedometer (and most other benchmarks) yet with Warp so I expect this number to improve the coming months. The design seems to be holding up well and we're really excited about building on this.

Happy hacking! It’s good to see another JS compiler get brought up. I strongly suspect that our community hasn’t yet found the perfect kind of combo of tiers for JS; the more we try stuff the closer we will get.

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by JohnBooty »

Santosh83 wrote: post #21

For everyone unable or unwilling to login:- Hi all, The SpiderMonkey (JS) team has been working on a significant update to our JITs called WarpBuilder (or just Warp) [0,1]. Before we enable Warp by default in Nightly (hopefully next cycle in 83) we need your help dogfooding it. Warp improves performance by reducing the amount of internal type information that is tracked, optimizing for a broader spectrum of cases, an…

FWIW, it was already enabled for me in Nightly on MacOS - 83.0a1 (2020-09-25) (64-bit)

Thanks for all of your hard work. Firefox forever!

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h »

bambam24 wrote: post #71

The question for firefox was never been is it fast. The question for firefox was always “why its using 10GB RAM?”

I've literally seen people commenting that they don't use firefox because chrome seems faster. (...and also, how on earth did you get it to use that much memory? I'm sitting over 500 tabs, albeit mostly unloaded, and 6 extensions, on a system with only 6GB installed)

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by gkoberger »

beagle3 wrote: post #81
gkoberger wrote: post #76

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Mozilla (the Company) has always had problems. They want to be something they're not. But the people on the Mozilla engineering team are top-notch and rarely affected by company drama (and probably feel the same way as you do about it). Mozilla is one of the few places you can do this specific type of really interesting engineering work, without having to be at Google/Apple/etc. (ex-Mozillian here :) )

Why ex?

I left 8 years ago! I loved it there, but left to start ReadMe.com.

But I still love the people there (and created https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24135032 recently)

Re: Firefox's JIT is getting significantly faster

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Post by celdon25 »

josh2600 wrote: post #89
The_Colonel wrote: post #38

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> years doesn't have long to live the market share is really worrying but OTOH Mozilla just secured another multi year deal with Google so in the short-medium term they are fine financially. I hope that a reason for all those projects cuts is at least partially creation of finacial reserves, in theory they do have enough cash and momentum to stay technologically relevant for at least 10 years.

Google needs Firefox to exist for anti-trust reasons. If they don’t buy fire fox’s traffic, bing will.

Isn't that the very definition of a "trust"?
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