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Re: Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at Extradition Trial

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Post by Can_Not » Mon, Sep 21, 2020, 7:12 PM UTC

nwienert wrote: post #226

arcticbull wrote: post #223

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This is what I mean by the Overton window being shifted so far right. There are no "extreme socialists" in the Democratic wing. AOC is center-left, Bernie is pretty much center. "Extreme socialist" would be arguing that the state should own the means of production. Until AOC starts arguing for nationalizing Google as a means of making core internet infrastructure public, for instance, I wouldn't worry about the "extr…

Wealth taxes, free college, universal healthcare, universal basic income. All things unthinkable for a politician to platform on 20 years ago. Ok, four major leftward shifts the party is embracing, could easily name more. Can you name some things we’ve moved right on?

Those are things the base are demanding, but the party itself is rejecting. Or by "four" did you mean people in congress instead of four issues? Because it's more accurate to say about four fringe democrats are pushing those policies than to say the democrat party is endorsing those policies.

Re: Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at Extradition Trial

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Post by nwienert » Mon, Sep 21, 2020, 10:35 PM UTC

Can_Not wrote: post #231

nwienert wrote: post #226

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wealth taxes, free college, universal healthcare, universal basic income. All things unthinkable for a politician to platform on 20 years ago. Ok, four major leftward shifts the party is embracing, could easily name more. Can you name some things we’ve moved right on?

Those are things the base are demanding, but the party itself is rejecting. Or by "four" did you mean people in congress instead of four issues? Because it's more accurate to say about four fringe democrats are pushing those policies than to say the democrat party is endorsing those policies.

You’re exaggerating so much it’s just lying. The party is adopting them slowly and surely.

Tell me Bernie didn’t win a significant portion of the vote and all the early primaries twice now? Joe Biden doesn’t support universal healthcare and very high taxes including a huge raise on capital gains, he doesn’t have a running mate who calls for reparations? He hasn’t totally changed on policing? Elizabeth Warren is suddenly a minor player in the party when her and Bernie combined had a significant chunk of the debate time and raise as much money as anyone? When it’s convenient for your argument you suddenly claim they are minor, when they aren’t.

And yes all those positions are a big move left for American politics.

And I’m just sticking with the economic issues, socially we’ve moved much further left.

The general position that we’ve moved right is laughable, I’m still waiting on examples.

Re: Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at Extradition Trial

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Post by fit2rule » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 1:18 PM UTC

lawnchair_larry wrote: post #215

dang wrote: post #187

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It looks like you've been using HN primarily (if not exclusively) for political battle. That's against the site guidelines and we ban accounts that do it, because it moves this place in exactly the opposite direction we want it to go. HN is supposed to be for curious conversation. If you'd please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use the site as intended, we'd appreciate it. If you want more…

Are you kidding? This is absolutely fucking nonsense. I’ve been here for years primarily commenting on infosec related topics as that is where my expertise lies. Insofar as you continue to allow political topics to remain on the site, which is not content that I submit, people are going to comment on it. When people post bullshit in these political threads, it motivates a response. I’m rarely, if ever, a top level co…

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Re: Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at Extradition Trial

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Post by fit2rule » Fri, Sep 25, 2020, 2:02 PM UTC

dang wrote: post #188

fit2rule wrote: post #88

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We've had to ask you more than once before to stop doing this sort of flamewar on HN. If you keep doing it, we're going to have to ban you. I'm not going to ban you right now because you posted about octopuses and mopeds recently. But it's not acceptable to flame up the threads like this, regardless of how right you are or feel you are. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

dang - I mean this sincerely:

You've got to find a way to hold a conversation about America's war crimes, and its very real crimes against humanity, without violent repression of speech - which is what your threats of account removal amount to.

This story is extremely relevant to your readership.

The title of this HN story is "Survivor of CIA Torture and Rendition Supports Assange at Extradition Trial", and here you are, dang, threatening to ban me for discussing America's war crimes, the very ones which were revealed to the world by Julian Assange.

You are LITERALLY using the very same playbook as Judge Baraitser: "America's crimes against humanity, its war crimes, and its criminal behaviour: SHALL NOT BE DISCUSSED OPENLY IN PUBLIC because: its too scary to the readership".

Yes, America's war crimes are scary. But no matter what you do, they're not going away. You must be prepared to discuss this and to maintain community while it is discussed, openly and honestly, in your forum. The HN community are extremely relevant to this discussion.

Dissuading open discussion about America's horrendous war crimes and diverting attention away from them is complicity.

I'm sure there is a story to be told about how HN censors stories critical of its military industrial masters. In fact, we can follow the money and come up with a very interesting question:

* What is Y-combinators/HN's connection with the KSA and how does that effect HN's reporting around the current genocide of Yemen? *

Perhaps we will read about it in future Wikileaks, or whatever cool tech news site that comes along to replace the smouldering pile of rubble that HN is inevitably to become, as a result of its administrators cowardice...

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