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Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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This is evil. This strategy, ignoring human rights for a second, increases the proportion of at-risk individuals who must get sick before herd immunity is reached. If you have a population of 100 people, and the HIT is 20% (assume homogenous mixing), of which half your population is high-risk and half is low-risk, you can enforce universal lockdown and end up with 10 high-risk and 10 low-risk infections, or you can e…

Does herd immunity work for COVID-19? I though we did not yet know whether infection leads to future immunity. Even better than 18 low-risk and 2 high risk is 2 low-risk and 2 high-risk. I think the intention here is to reduce infections until a vaccine comes out

Good question. Ordinarily I would say that the fact that you're even asking is totally ridiculous, but the narrative has actually been spread that herd immunity is a myth for COVID-19 - which is false - so I absolutely understand your question. Unfortunately there are literally factions out there trying to convince people that this thing is impossible to build immunity to, which again is false. Have some studies:

["Neutralizing and binding antibody kinetics of COVID-19 patients during hospital and convalescent phases"](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.18.20156810v...) - Published July 18 2020

- Based on these half-life data, we estimate that the median times for IgM, IgA and IgG to become seronegative are 4.59 (IQR 4.12-5.03), 7.78 (IQR 6.71-9.16) and 42.72 (IQR 33.75-47.96) months post disease onset.

- This study suggests that SARS-CoV-2 infection induces robust neutralizing and binding antibody responses in patients and that humoral immunity against SARS-CoV-2 acquired by infection may persist for a relatively long time.

["SARS-CoV-2 infection induces robust, neutralizing antibody responses that are stable for at least three months"](https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.07.14.20151126v...) - July 17, 2020

- Here we report that the vast majority of infected individuals with mild-to-moderate COVID-19 experience robust IgG antibody responses against the viral spike protein, based on a dataset of 19,860 individuals screened at Mount Sinai Health System in New York City.

- We also show that titers are stable for at least a period approximating three months, and that anti-spike binding titers significantly correlate with neutralization of authentic SARS-CoV-2. Our data suggests that more than 90% of seroconverters make detectible neutralizing antibody responses and that these titers are stable for at least the near-term future.

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BTW, there's something called immunological memory, your memory B/T cells persist for decades. So even if you, say, were only fully immune to reinfection for 1 week, you could still get to herd immunity by building up enough immunological memory since the presence of memory B/T cells will reduce transmission. Anyway, fortunately COVID-19 produces immunity of several months at least.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

#152

A waste management map from my county (Utah County in Utah) reveals that the three waste management districts that were servicing the two universities in the area were absolutely the red hot spots for covid-19. The two University presidents wrote a letter jointly telling the college students if they did not shape up The universities would be closed. Our governor applauded the letter and I don't think he was wrong. I…

I cant make sence of this post - Waste as in household rubbish? What relevance does it have? How are students meant to "shape up" and what means were they given to do so? To me this "adult" here reads like "old enough to be thrown under the bus"

Waste as in poop. They sample human waste and can determine how much rna coming from the virus is in the water. This can reveal trends in relative quantities of the virus between different waste management districts.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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post #117

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I mean if last December you had told people that we would issue stay at home orders and lay off 20 million people in the span of two weeks then keep all that stuff for six months they would have called you ridiculous and paranoid too. And yet here we are

Isn’t it telling that they described a complete ban on gatherings for an entire age range a “minor sacrifice”? Really shows you how far the overton window shifted. Also doubly ironic that I got called paranoid for talking about what is literally happening right now, not what I fear might happen.

Yes, completely out of context and without any implied qualifications, such a ban would be too much. But that's not what we're dealing with here, is it? This is not something that will remain in effect for years to come and I think any reasonable person understands that. Yes, I do consider a period of a few weeks or maybe even a couple months of self quarantine a small sacrifice compared with the alternative as I understand it. I was happy to comply with the shutdowns when they were in effect in Colorado earlier this year and I think these young people should also be willing to do it. And I don't waste time kidding myself into thinking I can effectively judge these actions with no expertise in these areas. I'm not an epidemiologist and I'm sure neither are you.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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post #117

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I mean if last December you had told people that we would issue stay at home orders and lay off 20 million people in the span of two weeks then keep all that stuff for six months they would have called you ridiculous and paranoid too. And yet here we are

Isn’t it telling that they described a complete ban on gatherings for an entire age range a “minor sacrifice”? Really shows you how far the overton window shifted. Also doubly ironic that I got called paranoid for talking about what is literally happening right now, not what I fear might happen.

Also, here's another comment you made in this article:

> It’s kind of like how everyone thinks that they would have opposed the Nazis because they grew up being taught that Nazis were bad. The truth is, this experiment in mass collective delusion has made it very clear which among us would have spoken out.

> The ones reporting their neighbors for having a gathering or not wearing a mask while watering their lawn would have happily helped participate in genocide. Don’t doubt it.

So yes, you're acting paranoid and not contributing meaningfully to the conversation.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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post #113

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"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin People seem to forget that the expected total death count from day 1 was, and still is , expected to be the same no matter what actions taken....And the entire point of lockdowns was to not overwhelm the hospitals all at once. It's so frustrating watching Democrat leaders (Jill H…

> People seem to forget that the expected total death count from day 1 was, and still is, expected to be the same no matter what actions taken... Could you provide some sort of source for this? This seems completely illogical as our goal has never been heard immunity.

Not to take sides, but that was the basis of the whole flatten the curve thing — or how it was presented to most people atleast.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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post #67

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Persons within the age range of 18-22 are not a protected class, so this does seem legal. Effective, maybe? I assume this is based on the idea that this age group is acting as super spreaders. Ethical? That's a judgment call. I say yes, personally.

I don't see how it isn't agains the 1st amendment right to peaceably assemble. I could see it if it was a blanket lock down, maybe even on just 18-22 year olds, but it still has carve outs for going to school or work. Maybe someone with more experience could chime in, but I don't see how the government restricting how people can gather is constitutional. Only being allowed to participate in government approved activi…

> I don't see how it isn't against the 1st amendment right to peaceably assemble.

I assume that there are a number of factors here, most notably that the assembling, while peaceful, poses a considerable danger to the public. Certainly it would be nice to see some sort of carve out for explicit protesting but there you go.

All allowed activities are government approved activities.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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> People seem to forget that the expected total death count from day 1 was, and still is, expected to be the same no matter what actions taken... Could you provide some sort of source for this? This seems completely illogical as our goal has never been heard immunity.

Not to take sides, but that was the basis of the whole flatten the curve thing — or how it was presented to most people atleast.

The basis for it was reducing impact on health care systems, and to limit second, and future wave impact.

Doing the first saved a lot of people because treatment was available. Secondary saves were non covid patients who could get service because capacity remained more available.

Had we had better safety compliance, we would have reduced even more than we did and may have normalized things such that the wave upon us now would be much less.

Death rates are dead/recovered and that is driven by infections.

Lower infections means fewer entering the death equation. More health care available means more recovered and all of that means far fewer dead people.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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post #70

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The way the students were acting are putting other peoples lives at risk. It’s not straightforward.

You have no scientific evidence that these students not wearing surgical masks or cloth face coverings has anything to do with covid spread. We have decades, nay a century, of science showing that face covering requirements do not slow the spread of a pandemic. There will absolutely be lawsuits over the rash, panicked, capricious, arbitrary actions of authorities during this crisis.

https://youtu.be/x6cTDGqcUpA

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

#159
post #67

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Persons within the age range of 18-22 are not a protected class, so this does seem legal. Effective, maybe? I assume this is based on the idea that this age group is acting as super spreaders. Ethical? That's a judgment call. I say yes, personally.

I don't see how it isn't agains the 1st amendment right to peaceably assemble. I could see it if it was a blanket lock down, maybe even on just 18-22 year olds, but it still has carve outs for going to school or work. Maybe someone with more experience could chime in, but I don't see how the government restricting how people can gather is constitutional. Only being allowed to participate in government approved activi…

>I don't see how the government restricting how people can gather is constitutional

None of the rights in the bill of rights are absolute. For better or for worse, the courts have decided that pretty much every right you have can be limited in the name of public safety.

If I'm in jail, the warden has no obligation to let me out if I want to go to my best friend's birthday party. If I try to stage an unpermitted protest in the middle of the street, I will eventually be removed

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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post #113

As a 27-year-old CU PhD student and staff member, I just want to say that this is a welcome development. The university recklessly opened this fall without adequate security measures in place over the loud protests of faculty and staff, and (surprised_pikachu.jpg) now Boulder is facing a massive outbreak clearly attributable to campus' opening [1]. My friends, colleagues, and community are being directly endangered b…

"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin People seem to forget that the expected total death count from day 1 was, and still is , expected to be the same no matter what actions taken....And the entire point of lockdowns was to not overwhelm the hospitals all at once. It's so frustrating watching Democrat leaders (Jill H…

"expected to be the same" is simply not true.

Even simple models like the one described at https://youtu.be/k6nLfCbAzgo?t=920 (I point to the relevant part) shows that reducing the infection rate can also lead to fewer overall deaths.

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