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Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds
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Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds
#112Earlier quoted context omitted.
>There is a very simple reason why these restrictions are outrageous: individuals have a right to gather with their friends if they so choose. I agree that "being able to gather with your friends" is a great thing, but I don't see why it's a sacred right that is "outrageous" to restrict no matter the consequences. Like a lot of these debates, this sort of things comes down to your personal beliefs in the relative imp…
It’s a sacred right because the right to peaceably assemble has long been protected under the bill of rights. The 1a was incredibly clear on this. And despite the wording, it applies to states too.
To me, a "right" should be considered on the basis of what it actually provides to people.
This might be an unpopular opinion that I hold as a non-american, but I don't really see "because it was decided so a long time ago" as particularly good reason to ordain something as a sacred right.
I'd be curious to know your take. Is it because you uphold that "decisions should be made based precedent" as being critical for stable society? Or do you consider the document to be literally sacred in its own right like the Ten Commandments or the Quran?
Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds
#113As a 27-year-old CU PhD student and staff member, I just want to say that this is a welcome development. The university recklessly opened this fall without adequate security measures in place over the loud protests of faculty and staff, and (surprised_pikachu.jpg) now Boulder is facing a massive outbreak clearly attributable to campus' opening [1]. My friends, colleagues, and community are being directly endangered b…
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin
People seem to forget that the expected total death count from day 1 was, and still is, expected to be the same no matter what actions taken....And the entire point of lockdowns was to not overwhelm the hospitals all at once.
It's so frustrating watching Democrat leaders (Jill Hunsaker Ryan in this case) put plans into place that aren't backed by ACTUAL evidence, blame others when their plans end up not working, refuse to pivot upon receiving new information, refuse to acknowledge when previous data is found to be inaccurate....all while trampling on the constitutional rights of American citizens.
Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds
#114Earlier quoted context omitted.
>The Boulder hospitals are full, or strained? Flattening the curve was about keeping the hospitals from being overrun. Putting the strictest measures on the segment of the population that is least likely to get ill seems questionable (testing positive does not necessarily mean one has symptoms). Granted, spread to more vulnerable populations must be minimized -- but I wonder about the real science behind this policy…
They aren't ending them, though. Just prohibiting them. It seems comically naive to expect that the population that faces virtually zero downside and has the greatest propensity for risky behavior would obey such an order.
If you expel or jail a few to make an example it would probably cow the rest.
(In case anyone isn’t certain, I do not support this line of thinking. But since authoritarianism is fashionable nowadays I fully expect it to happen)
Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds
#115As a 27-year-old CU PhD student and staff member, I just want to say that this is a welcome development. The university recklessly opened this fall without adequate security measures in place over the loud protests of faculty and staff, and (surprised_pikachu.jpg) now Boulder is facing a massive outbreak clearly attributable to campus' opening [1]. My friends, colleagues, and community are being directly endangered b…
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin People seem to forget that the expected total death count from day 1 was, and still is , expected to be the same no matter what actions taken....And the entire point of lockdowns was to not overwhelm the hospitals all at once. It's so frustrating watching Democrat leaders (Jill H…
> People seem to forget that the expected total death count from day 1 was, and still is, expected to be the same no matter what actions taken
This is so wrong. One has to really wonder what motivates you. Mask wearing alone, a simple action, dramatically lowers predicted infection rates
Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds
#116Earlier quoted context omitted.
At what point does the responsibility shift to the University Presidents if they can predict with confidence (and then confirm with data) that their students will never comply with their directives?
Kick the students out, keep their tuition. Be done with it.
Yes, that's more or less their plan.
I mean, they aren't going to expel the students from their university, but they are going to drop the pretense of in-person classes.
Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds
#117Earlier quoted context omitted.
> They've excluded people at work, so I suppose this allows people in this age range to provide childcare for essential workers, work in health care or at grocery stores, etc. How kind of our benevolent overlords. We can still partake in the economic machinery! Just none of that pesky “living your life” stuff. I’m surprised they haven’t banned laughter yet. It spreads SARS-CoV-2-laden respiratory droplets like nothin…
Honestly this just sounds ridiculous, paranoid, and reactionary. I don't know what else to tell you. Yes, people who believe in making the minor personal sacrifice of self quarantining for the greater good, because they trust public health officials and scientific authority figures, are just mindless sheep and would be happy to ban laughter. If you're going to comment on a serious issue like this, make a serious argu…
I mean if last December you had told people that we would issue stay at home orders and lay off 20 million people in the span of two weeks then keep all that stuff for six months they would have called you ridiculous and paranoid too. And yet here we are
Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds
#118In this case I think the ages are a distraction. This is clearly a violation of the constitution even given Covid due to it essentially banning a large section of the population from something as fundamental as visiting friends.
Not to mention this decision was likely made by the UN-ELECTED Executive Director of the Colorado Department of Public Health & Environment, Jill Hunsaker Ryan.
I did a quick search of her background and she was almost indicted for falsifying Covid death data to inflate the total number of deaths[1]. Once she was forced to accurately report the numbers, the number of deaths magically dropped significantly. Won't hear about this in the news!
[1] - https://www.9news.com/article/news/local/next/gop-rep-allege...
Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds
#119As a 27-year-old CU PhD student and staff member, I just want to say that this is a welcome development. The university recklessly opened this fall without adequate security measures in place over the loud protests of faculty and staff, and (surprised_pikachu.jpg) now Boulder is facing a massive outbreak clearly attributable to campus' opening [1]. My friends, colleagues, and community are being directly endangered b…
"Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety." - Benjamin Franklin People seem to forget that the expected total death count from day 1 was, and still is , expected to be the same no matter what actions taken....And the entire point of lockdowns was to not overwhelm the hospitals all at once. It's so frustrating watching Democrat leaders (Jill H…
> People seem to forget that the expected total death count from day 1 was, and still is, expected to be the same no matter what actions taken...
Could you provide some sort of source for this? This seems completely illogical as our goal has never been heard immunity.
Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds
#120Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm just not sure what that has to do with it. If they're engaging in specific risky behavior, maybe it's justified to ban that risky behavior, but you can't just tell an entire age bracket they've been naughty and ground them for 2 weeks as punishment.
Don’t worry, precedent shows that it will be extended past two weeks. Remember “15 days to slow the spread”?
and it worked. it slowed the spread.