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Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by nugget »

djhaskin987 wrote: post #24

A waste management map from my county (Utah County in Utah) reveals that the three waste management districts that were servicing the two universities in the area were absolutely the red hot spots for covid-19. The two University presidents wrote a letter jointly telling the college students if they did not shape up The universities would be closed. Our governor applauded the letter and I don't think he was wrong. I…

At what point does the responsibility shift to the University Presidents if they can predict with confidence (and then confirm with data) that their students will never comply with their directives?

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by [deleted] »

ribosometronome wrote: post #13
toomuchtodo wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This suggests younger cohorts need robust efforts to protect their rights when continued curtailment is attempted by those who aren’t offering up sufficient compensation and recourse for the impacted. Can’t expect a generation to go through two economic catastrophes (GFC, Covid) without support and expect positive results. Things will just go from bad to worse.

Perhaps they should vote.

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Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by agency »

JamilD wrote: post #8
just-juan-post wrote: post #2

Replace "18-22 year olds" with "blacks" or "Muslims" Is it still ethical? Legal? Effective?

It's interesting how we can use age (selectively) as a discriminator, but within a certain range and in certain contexts, it's seen as "bad" to discriminate. Most wouldn't say the concept of a retirement age is discriminatory, nor the concept of age of consent or minimum age to purchase alcohol, or pricing insurance rates differently based on age. Somehow this application of age discrimination seems to cross the line…

Fun fact: In the US, the Age Discrimination in Employment Act forbids employment discrimination based on age against people over 40. It’s legal to discriminate against young people based on age.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by eplanit »

The Boulder hospitals are full, or strained? Flattening the curve was about keeping the hospitals from being overrun. Putting the strictest measures on the segment of the population that is least likely to get ill seems questionable (testing positive does not necessarily mean one has symptoms). Granted, spread to more vulnerable populations must be minimized -- but I wonder about the real science behind this policy (if it's about science).

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by mherdeg »

Here's some more coverage: https://www.cpr.org/2020/09/24/boulder-county-issues-ban-on-...

Here's the text of the order: https://www.bouldercounty.org/families/disease/covid-19/publ...

The text says in part: ""Gathering: more than one individual coming together or being physically near each other for any shared and common purpose, including socializing or participating in any activity together including but not limited to shopping, dining, or exercising. A gathering does not include employees of any business while performing work for that business or any classroom learning activity explicitly permitted by the University of Colorado. Members of the same household while in their shared household space (e.g. a dorm room) together are not considered a gathering.""

They've excluded people at work, so I suppose this allows people in this age range to provide childcare for essential workers, work in health care or at grocery stores, etc.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by senthil_rajasek »

The article does not say anything about what if any data was used to make this decision.

Conflating this as a human rights issue as some commenters have tried to on this thread is a dangerous trend.

In other cities, like La crosse, WI for instance college campuses tended to be the hotspots.

The same was true of senior housing a few months back.

So I am leaning towards the public health officials targeting this based on data for hotspots and demographics and not just to ground some group of people.

The virus needs to be quashed and NY is the evidence.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by DetroitThrow »

nugget wrote: post #31
djhaskin987 wrote: post #24

A waste management map from my county (Utah County in Utah) reveals that the three waste management districts that were servicing the two universities in the area were absolutely the red hot spots for covid-19. The two University presidents wrote a letter jointly telling the college students if they did not shape up The universities would be closed. Our governor applauded the letter and I don't think he was wrong. I…

At what point does the responsibility shift to the University Presidents if they can predict with confidence (and then confirm with data) that their students will never comply with their directives?

>wrote a letter jointly telling the college students if they did not shape up The universities _would be closed_

I think from this we could infer that they will take responsibility when they think it becomes clearer that students will not sufficiently comply with the public safety directives.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by staticassertion »

just-juan-post wrote: post #2

Replace "18-22 year olds" with "blacks" or "Muslims" Is it still ethical? Legal? Effective?

Persons within the age range of 18-22 are not a protected class, so this does seem legal. Effective, maybe? I assume this is based on the idea that this age group is acting as super spreaders.

Ethical? That's a judgment call. I say yes, personally.

Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds

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Post by the_benno »

As a 27-year-old CU PhD student and staff member, I just want to say that this is a welcome development. The university recklessly opened this fall without adequate security measures in place over the loud protests of faculty and staff, and (surprised_pikachu.jpg) now Boulder is facing a massive outbreak clearly attributable to campus' opening [1].

My friends, colleagues, and community are being directly endangered by CU's obfuscation of case data, refusal to provide comprehensive testing, and foot-dragging on promised safety measures. It's ridiculous that the city/county are being forced to mitigate the downstream effects of this doomed-from-the-beginning plan, but the "run it like a business" university administration is a lost cause.

[1] https://www.bouldercounty.org/families/disease/covid-19/covi...

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