Earlier quoted context omitted.
Perhaps they should vote.
Ah but that’s the irony. In the US the young overwhelmingly vote for the side that supports these authoritarian shutdowns. I remember when the authoritarians were on the right and the freedom lovers on the left. Oh, how times have changed. (Compare South Dakota, right-leaning and NEVER locked down, to my home state of California, which is so democrat-leaning that we’re a de facto single party state)
Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds
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Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds
#42This is evil. This strategy, ignoring human rights for a second, increases the proportion of at-risk individuals who must get sick before herd immunity is reached. If you have a population of 100 people, and the HIT is 20% (assume homogenous mixing), of which half your population is high-risk and half is low-risk, you can enforce universal lockdown and end up with 10 high-risk and 10 low-risk infections, or you can e…
Jacobson and its descendant Buck, then Korematsu, are among the most shameful moments in the history of the law in America.
Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds
#43Here's some more coverage: https://www.cpr.org/2020/09/24/boulder-county-issues-ban-on-... Here's the text of the order: https://www.bouldercounty.org/families/disease/covid-19/publ... The text says in part: ""Gathering: more than one individual coming together or being physically near each other for any shared and common purpose, including socializing or participating in any activity together including but not limit…
How kind of our benevolent overlords. We can still partake in the economic machinery! Just none of that pesky “living your life” stuff.
I’m surprised they haven’t banned laughter yet. It spreads SARS-CoV-2-laden respiratory droplets like nothing else.
Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds
#44A waste management map from my county (Utah County in Utah) reveals that the three waste management districts that were servicing the two universities in the area were absolutely the red hot spots for covid-19. The two University presidents wrote a letter jointly telling the college students if they did not shape up The universities would be closed. Our governor applauded the letter and I don't think he was wrong. I…
18-22 year old's in college are self-contained for the most part. They're around people their own age, not known for intermingling with senior citizens etc.
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#45So the issue here is really that the university of Colorado has a number of students who are flagrantly ignoring masking rules. They also have a administration that opened the campus. Boulder is a very left leaning city, has a department of health that has decided to be extremely expansive with their mandate in boulder county. Churches and public schools are still closed. But there is a tricky issue in that the state constitution keeps bolder from regulating CU. The majority of cases in Colorado are now from CU. That’s why they’ve structured at the way they have, because they cannot regulate CU directly.
So the question becomes is this a violation of the bill of rights? You’d have to be able to argue that the governments actions are designed to be punitive, rather than protective. As much as Boulder has consistently overstepped itself, I think this still meets that criteria.
As a sidenote, for all of the politicking about red state versus blue state, it is definitely millennials and zoomer‘s that I see without masks. Doesn’t bode well for the future.
Also Boulder and CU have had this war going on for quite a while independent of covid. It got to the point where the University even decided to purchase a quarry to get around Boulder restrictions.
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#46The Boulder hospitals are full, or strained? Flattening the curve was about keeping the hospitals from being overrun. Putting the strictest measures on the segment of the population that is least likely to get ill seems questionable (testing positive does not necessarily mean one has symptoms). Granted, spread to more vulnerable populations must be minimized -- but I wonder about the real science behind this policy (…
Doing some quick Googling about the scientists at the head of US public policy on the subject: https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/covid-19-colleges...
The scientists seem to say 1) don't send students home and 2) contain them so they don't cause further outbreaks at universities. So the suggestion of ending youth public gatherings at a university seems in-line with the science.
Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds
#47A waste management map from my county (Utah County in Utah) reveals that the three waste management districts that were servicing the two universities in the area were absolutely the red hot spots for covid-19. The two University presidents wrote a letter jointly telling the college students if they did not shape up The universities would be closed. Our governor applauded the letter and I don't think he was wrong. I…
At what point does the responsibility shift to the University Presidents if they can predict with confidence (and then confirm with data) that their students will never comply with their directives?
Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds
#48The article does not say anything about what if any data was used to make this decision. Conflating this as a human rights issue as some commenters have tried to on this thread is a dangerous trend. In other cities, like La crosse, WI for instance college campuses tended to be the hotspots. The same was true of senior housing a few months back. So I am leaning towards the public health officials targeting this based…
Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds
#49The article does not say anything about what if any data was used to make this decision. Conflating this as a human rights issue as some commenters have tried to on this thread is a dangerous trend. In other cities, like La crosse, WI for instance college campuses tended to be the hotspots. The same was true of senior housing a few months back. So I am leaning towards the public health officials targeting this based…
They are undertaking this measure because of a spike in COVID “cases” (read: positive PCR test results). A spike in cases without a corresponding increase in deaths or hospitalizations should be a good thing, but we treat it the same as having an equivalent number of centenarians get sick. Completely absurd and it goes against everything we knew about public health before this mass global hysteria took root.
Re: Boulder prohibits gatherings of any size for 18-22 year olds
#50I live in boulder. So the issue here is really that the university of Colorado has a number of students who are flagrantly ignoring masking rules. They also have a administration that opened the campus. Boulder is a very left leaning city, has a department of health that has decided to be extremely expansive with their mandate in boulder county. Churches and public schools are still closed. But there is a tricky issu…