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Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes
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Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes
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Apple clearly has competitors that have a much larger share of the market.
When people talk about Apple having a monopoly they're referring to Apple having complete control over the sale of iOS software. There is no one else in that market. Apple has 100% market share.
iOS is not a market, it’s a product.
This is like saying Uber has a monopoly on all of their own assets.
Wrong terminology.
Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes
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Uhm but you’re aware that CS:Source was developed by Valve company behind the Steam? The same goes true for Unreal Tournament. You want to play it you install Epic installer. That’s fine point. Rockstar and Ubisoft have their own launchers and it’s not an issue. Issue is that Epic holds the 3rd party games, snatching them from early access etc. effectively limit previously open access.
What games are you talking about specifically here and when? Fortnite was also developed by Unreal by the way. Also, Epic is not the first company to buy a game + its license and then only allow people to play it via their platform. Counter-Strike was a independent mod back in the days, before Valve bought it. Same goes for Day of Defeat and bunch of others games. I'm sure we can find even earlier examples of this ha…
There's a LOT.
https://www.gamewatcher.com/news/Epic-games-store-exclusives
Counter-Strike was Half-Life mod, and Half-Life was developed by Valve, so it's still the same developer. And yes, the Epic is the first company on the PC to do that. Console exclusiveness is known fact, but you could _buy_ game outside of the Steam if you wanted to. Epic started to hunt for 3rd party games and lock them in exclusiveness deals.
Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes
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Oh no, won't someone think of the... talented and skilled white-collar worker in one of the hottest and highest paying industries of all time that can work literally anywhere? Enough with the appeals to emotion.
You're right, we should side with the multi-trillion dollar company that refuses to pay taxes on their multi-billion dollar profits.
Apple, like every other company and individual, pays every dollar they owe and not a penny more. If this weren't the case, the IRS would be rolling up to their doorstep. If you don't like the tax laws, then petition them to be changed and I will support you.
And yes, let's side with the company that became worth a trillion dollars by virtue of providing billions of people with devices and services that enrich their lives enough for them to shell over often times their last dollars. Not the company that peddles digital skins to children that only further glues them to their screens.
Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes
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> Epic and Spotify are pushing their own walled gardens, they just want to do it with a bigger profit margin. There is absolutely no problem with that because it cures the one and only walled garden problem. If they implement a subpar walled garden, it will be up to the users to exercise choice on using them, which they currently can't. This is the core of the opponent processes of markets. It is irrelevant to demand…
Just for reference Epic has already shown us their playbook on how they plan to bootstrap a separate marketplace with the Epic Games Store on PC. Namely, paying for exclusivity onto their store (or more accurately paying for the developer to not release onto Steam - the current incumbent). I'm not sure how you can argue that they are helping users exercise choice when this is behavior they already engage in.
Once Apple is legally required to allow third party app stores it will be possible to create open ones as well.
Like f-droid , for iOS
Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes
#566Earlier quoted context omitted.
Except in the retail world, there's competition between stores. Competition is non-existent in the mobile world, there's only two companies and both have the exact same fees and very similar policies.
So we need more entrants. Why doesn’t this coalition of multi-billion dollar corporations invest in creating an Android based alternative with different policies? That would add choice to the market rather than taking it away. They can clearly afford to do so, but it seems like they just don’t feel the need to make the investment.
> They can clearly afford to do so, but it seems like they just don’t feel the need to make the investment.
Is it clear? If it's that easy, how did Microsoft, Facebook and Amazon all fail in their efforts to break into that market?
It seems much simpler to force Apple to follow fair trade rules on the marketplace, than to force every other company to develop their own OS and hardware. Furthermore, the latter option basically bars anyone who isn't already in control of a large corporation from entering the mobile app market without Apple's blessing.
Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes
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Analogies can be powerful if told well. It just so happens that they're hard to tell well. Source: Cheerios
What does it mean for an analogy to be powerful? I typically see analogies used to support an argument, which analogies don't do. Hence you see the conversation break down into whether or not the analogy is accurate or not. Analogies illustrate a concept. They don't establish reasoning or causation or proof.
I think they can be helpful for achieving that initial critical mass of understanding around a topic ("a is to b as x is to y... oh okay, I better understand the relationship between a and b"), but yeah, if you don't unwind the analogy afterward, then it can be a false understanding.
I found this kind of thing a struggle in engineering math courses, where you'd often move equations into transformed spaces (frequency domain, whatever), perform operations on them, and then un-transform them to pop out a result. It's like, yes, the transform is obviously an immensely powerful abstraction, but I didn't really trust what was going on in there unless I did at least a few of the exercises from first principles as well, in order to prove to myself that doing operations in the transformed space was "safe".
Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes
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Once root mode is an option it will be exploited. The weakest link in software systems is often a human.
The number of steps and warnings required to unlock the bootloader on an Android device is so large that I have never heard of anybody being tricked into it. On the other hand, iOS is so rife with rootable vulnerabilities that it's becoming too cheap to meter.
Replace tricked with lured. Try searching 'free vbucks apk android 6' on youtube then go to page 3 of results or click recently uploaded.
Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes
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Don't argue in bad faith.
It may seem that way but I am 100% sincere. Of course, those questions are rhetorical because I know what the answer I will hear is and I believe the same answer applies to Apple. If you believe that rules apply to one multi-billion dollar company but not to another, I want you to at least sweat a little bit in defending it because it sounds absolutely ridiculous to me. The conclusion I'm seeing is that if you want t…
If your 100% sincere is so clearly bad faith I think you should be banned.
Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes
#570Earlier quoted context omitted.
> No one is forcing them to develop for iOS. The market is. You can not afford not to publish something on iOS, if iOS were a niche platform used only by 1% of users maybe, but it is a mainstream platform used by more than 40% of users in the US.
I find it hard to believe that 100% of the market is the exact perfect amount that any given developer needs to sustain their business. 99% is already too little, and 60% is a non-starter. And yet this is the same market where tens to hundreds of companies have proliferated into billion dollar entities in mere years. It's nothing more than greed, just like the greed you supposedly fight against.
It's not greed to be in the platforms where your customers are. Otherwise companies wouldn't go to difficult stretches like supporting Internet Explorer.
Denying business to your customers just because they're hostages of a greedy actor is not the best way to conduct a business.