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Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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It's a monopoly, and it's illegal.

Calling a company that has ~13% of the market share in mobile devices is quite the take. It will never hold up in court.

Just a few months ago Apple was happy to explain to everyone that they secured more than 80% of mobile markets profits. Hiding that by citinng some nebolous market share of questionable market definition is perhaps not a good idea.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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"The Coalition for App Fairness", I cannot not laugh. On the stage you have: Epic - Trying to be the next Valve/Steam. Happy to rip off their customers via in-game transactions. Spotify - Who rip off artists by either failing or paying very little in royalties. Tinder - Sells sex. None of these companies have any care for the actual developer; who are the folk trying to make a living from their creations.

70% of Spotify's revenue goes to rights holders. That's not ripping off artists. Streaming royalties have been the largest segment of music rights holder revenue for several years. The record labels negotiated these deals and had all of the power. Also, all music streaming services have effectively the same deals. Spotify does not have preferential treatment. Artists can distribute their music without Spotify. Spotif…

Wouldn't that be the record companies though? I have heard Kanye is trying to get more money for artists but not really sure. I am puzzled why blockchain+streaming for music hasn't taken off. Artists would maintain rights and profits from what I can tell

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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If I build an operating system + hardware, should I be legally mandated to provide tooling to make it easy for users to find and install arbitrary software?

It should be mandatory to allow installing arbitrary apps, which has recently become nigh impossible, at least I couldn't find any way to distribute my rejected app.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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The most underrated thing we might get with multiple app stores:

Devs do not need anymore XCode or a Mac to develop for iOS since Apple couldn't enforce any specific runtime or proprietary tool-chains anymore. I have an extra Macbook lying around here just for that reason.

Who knows if Google will then offer Android Studio for iOS or Facebook a real React Native. Good times ahead and I cross my fingers. You don't have to like Epic, Spotify or Tinder but if they're successful developers in particular will benefit due to a richer iOS dev ecosystem.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Apple built their controlled ecosystem and set their rules. And now others are insisting that Apple should not have that control (even when they themselves are doing the same thing).

>And now others are insisting that Apple should not have that control (even when they themselves are doing the same thing).

Exactly Apple organized developers, giving the developers a collective power to rival Apple's unilateral dictatorship...sure Apple could call their bluff like they always do with any one single developer, except if these developers collectively withdraw from the Apple ecosystem in mass, Apple would lose developers/market share/market cap.

Now if only consumers would collectively organize against big tech in the same fashion, big tech wouldn't seem so big, and consumer could begin to dictate how these platforms collect use their data.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Can we just link directly to the advocacy group's page ( https://appfairness.org/ )? I'm not certain the article is adding anything. ---- I'm generally supportive of at least some of Epic's arguments towards Apple, and I do believe that Apple (and multiple other FAANG companies) are engaged in anti-competitive behavior that's currently hurting the market. But a lot of the arguments I'm reading on the App Fairness sit…

Website's broken on my Firefox, won't scroll.

Same problem on Edge chromium.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Calling a company that has ~13% of the market share in mobile devices is quite the take. It will never hold up in court.

They control 100% of the apps on an iPhone

Everyone controls 100% of what happens on their own platform.

Epic is a monopolist.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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If I build an operating system + hardware, should I be legally mandated to provide tooling to make it easy for users to find and install arbitrary software?

There's quite a lot of grey area between "legally mandated to make it easy" and "legally mandated to not make it impossibly difficult."

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Ah, okay. Now I begin to see their goals.

I've been trying to wrap my head around why Epic would shoulder-tackle Apple in the space of app stores, when they have their own app store. Naively, I've been thinking that any ruling adverse to Apple here also impacts Epic's business model---if the government caps app store revenue cuts at, say, 10%, that's a slice off the top of what Epic can charge developers going through its store, too.

But Epic is a game publisher first, app store owner second. A fair and regulated market is a win for them, because it decreases the barriers to competition in the app store space while, on average, probably diminishing store owner cuts, which benefits developers, of which Epic is one. So a more regulated market is a net positive for them.

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