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Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Post by singularity2001 »

gostsamo wrote: post #5
doublerabbit wrote: post #2

"The Coalition for App Fairness", I cannot not laugh. On the stage you have: Epic - Trying to be the next Valve/Steam. Happy to rip off their customers via in-game transactions. Spotify - Who rip off artists by either failing or paying very little in royalties. Tinder - Sells sex. None of these companies have any care for the actual developer; who are the folk trying to make a living from their creations.

Many good things in history happened because bad people had interest of them happening. At hominem attacks does not invalidate a claim. P.S. I'm not downvoting but still trying to bring everyone down is a low-quality argument.

No hominem was attached

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Post by tempsy »

dimitrios1 wrote: post #14
mFixman wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a monopoly, and it's illegal.

Calling a company that has ~13% of the market share in mobile devices is quite the take. It will never hold up in court.

It's a duopoly between Android and iOS. Better?

And the current lawsuits are arguing that Apple has a monopoly on payments on their own devices, not that they have a monopoly on the smartphone market. Big difference.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Post by snicker7 »

layoutIfNeeded wrote: post #10
mFixman wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a monopoly, and it's illegal.

Apple does not have a monopoly on phones. Not even smartphones.

The Apple store has a monopoly on installing software on Apple devices.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Post by supercanuck »

dimitrios1 wrote: post #14
mFixman wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a monopoly, and it's illegal.

Calling a company that has ~13% of the market share in mobile devices is quite the take. It will never hold up in court.

They control 100% of the apps on an iPhone

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Post by chacha2 »

danShumway wrote: post #11

Can we just link directly to the advocacy group's page ( https://appfairness.org/ )? I'm not certain the article is adding anything. ---- I'm generally supportive of at least some of Epic's arguments towards Apple, and I do believe that Apple (and multiple other FAANG companies) are engaged in anti-competitive behavior that's currently hurting the market. But a lot of the arguments I'm reading on the App Fairness sit…

Website's broken on my Firefox, won't scroll.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Post by izacus »

singularity2001 wrote: post #21
gostsamo wrote: post #5

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Many good things in history happened because bad people had interest of them happening. At hominem attacks does not invalidate a claim. P.S. I'm not downvoting but still trying to bring everyone down is a low-quality argument.

No hominem was attached

Attacking a companny/person behind an argument for unrelated issues is a definition of "ad hominem".

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Post by indigochill »

doublerabbit wrote: post #2

"The Coalition for App Fairness", I cannot not laugh. On the stage you have: Epic - Trying to be the next Valve/Steam. Happy to rip off their customers via in-game transactions. Spotify - Who rip off artists by either failing or paying very little in royalties. Tinder - Sells sex. None of these companies have any care for the actual developer; who are the folk trying to make a living from their creations.

I agree Epic's arguing in bad faith, but I also don't see why Apple (and other App Store companies, like Google) need to have change legislated upon them (or why this is something that needs to be protested). Apple got to where they are by being a successful platform that attracted users and developers with their walled garden ethos. If in fact that walled garden is bad for users/developers, then there are competitors. If Apple users felt they were getting ripped off (or Apple developers felt it wasn't worth it to develop for Apple platforms) they could go to Windows or Linux/Android.

The only way I can interpret this is that Epic & Friends see Apple has a nice cake which they now want to both have and eat. Given that Apple made the cake and there are other cakes, I think they're being entirely unfair to Apple. If Epic & Friends don't like Apple's rules, they're welcome to get off Apple's platform and focus on other platforms.

I personally don't think it's worth developing for Apple platforms myself, but the argument that developers somehow -have- to develop for Apple platforms is nonsense (the AAA market for games on PC vs Mac makes this obvious). That's only true if you decide you have to reach those users, which is only true if you as the developer decide it's economically worthwhile, in which case you have implicitly agreed that Apple's terms are economically justifiable.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Post by zepto »

supercanuck wrote: post #20
layoutIfNeeded wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Apple does not have a monopoly on phones. Not even smartphones.

They have a monopoly over the apps on the iOS.

In that case every single retail store has a monopoly on the products they sell.

This is a meaningless definition of monopoly.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Post by HideousKojima »

dimitrios1 wrote: post #14
mFixman wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a monopoly, and it's illegal.

Calling a company that has ~13% of the market share in mobile devices is quite the take. It will never hold up in court.

Within the US (which is where it matters for this case), Apple has ~40% of the market and a bigger share of the market than any other phone maker.

Re: Epic, Spotify, and Tinder form advocacy group to push for app store changes

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Post by izacus »

electriclove wrote: post #3

Apple built their controlled ecosystem and set their rules. And now others are insisting that Apple should not have that control (even when they themselves are doing the same thing).

Sounds like a great time to make sure we ban all the closed ecosystems and reestablish free market at its best.
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