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Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by hnick » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 10:39 AM UTC

kllrnohj wrote: post #572

hnick wrote: post #285

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Sure but if it's a real DMCA claim won't Google be obligated to reinstate the content? https://www.dmca.com/faq/What-is-a-DMCA-Counterclaim There's a summary but it links to a more detailed PDF. If it is a "real" DMCA claim, then according to this Google must put the content back up within 10 to 14 business days. If it's Google's house rules then they don't, but that would mean it's not a real DMCA claim. Now I under…

The content is still up. His channel isn't currently deleted: https://www.youtube.com/c/GarethEvansYT If his counter claims are successful there's no reason to believe the channel will be deleted, either.

Important clarification, thanks. But we'll see if that holds up if "deleting" becomes past tense.

This story probably got enough reach now that something will happen, as usual.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by vbsteven » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 10:40 AM UTC

lethologica wrote: post #665

Bashmeplz wrote: post #659

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There have been attempts to fight the Youtube/Google platform, Patreon in a way is fighting against the Youtube ad revenue as a channels main source of income, so channels can survive on their own. Linus tech tips is creating their own video platform called Float-plane aiming to also do the same.

I've seen another channel do this too, Corridor Digital. They're creating their own video platform, though it seems to be more so to get away from the traditional Hollywood model, but I guess that also has the benefit of not being beholden to the whims of YouTube. I wonder what the internet would look like if everyone did something like this rather than having all their content hosted on a central platform. What woul…

Won't this approach eventually lead to what happened with blogging?

10-15 years ago we all had our own wordpress/static/ghost blogs hosted on our own domains, and then Blogger, Medium and Substack entered the space with the added benefits of discoverability and a very significant chunk of the self-hosted blogs moved to those platforms.

I feel that with YouTube we just skipped that initial self-hosted step and immediately went to the centralized platforms (Google Video, Vimeo and eventually YouTube)

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by DanBC » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 10:44 AM UTC

wtallis wrote: post #609

kllrnohj wrote: post #573

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The same thing happened here. The creator issued a counter claim, and his channel is currently still up and unaffected https://www.youtube.com/c/GarethEvansYT Youtube does allow DMCA counter claims because they legally have to. Youtube has absolutely no wiggle room with DMCA. No amount of complaining to them can ever change that, either. You have to get the laws changed.

Here and elsewhere in this thread, you're exaggerating the power of the DMCA over YouTube. The only consequence to YouTube if they fail to follow along with the DMCA takedown notice/counter-notice procedure is that they lose safe harbor protection against being held liable for their users copyright infringement. In a case where YouTube is overzealously removing content that is not actually infringing, they really are…

> they lose safe harbor protection against being held liable for their users copyright infringement. In a case where YouTube is overzealously removing content that is not actually infringing,

Do you understand that the content in the submission is infringing? And not just to the civil level but to the criminal level? And so YouTube losing safe harbor would be huge.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by Ensorceled » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 10:45 AM UTC

robertlagrant wrote: post #667

Ensorceled wrote: post #466

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> It sucks that Google doesn't offer better support, but are they really to blame here? Can't we blame them for shitty support at least? For not providing any explanation at all? For not having an appeal process? For always taking side of the IP Owner? For deleting the channel instead of some other mechanism? For not actually fighting for reasonable IP laws for this kind of video? I don't know why people come out to…

Because some people are tribal, and root for the underdog. Other people are impartial, and do not consider the relative size of parties when figuring out who's in the wrong.

So you are also agree YouTube is doing the right thing here? That their actions are just and correct?

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by TeMPOraL » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 10:52 AM UTC

segfaultbuserr wrote: post #606

dbcurtis wrote: post #552

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An old office mate had been a systems programmer back in the days of mainframes. He once put a local-site patch into the mainframe boot code where the question about wiping and restoring the on-line storage required operators to type in, correctly capitalized and punctuated, the precise string: "Yes, I really do want to spend the entirety of my shift hanging tapes." .... and someone still did it. The struggle is real…

In electrical engineering, the saying is "Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool." Also, in computer folklore, there are numerous stories of how non-technical users purposefully destroy foolproof mechanisms by brute-force, e.g. cut the slot on a DDR3 socket to insert a DDR2 RAM module and fry everything... And I wonder whether "don't use brute-force, if you have difficulty getting it in, it means you ar…

> And I wonder whether "don't use brute-force, if you have difficulty getting it in, it means you are doing it wrong" should be taught as the first rule when working with hardware. Unfortunately, to add the confusion, we also have connectors that can be surprisingly hard to connect and disconnect even under normal circumstances...

And everyone has likely experienced in their lives plenty of appliances, self-assembly kits and other objects where some components required application of force to put together, because there's resistance coming from the feature that prevents the object from coming apart together. My rule of thumb is now that if the force seems to be veering into "could break surrounding structure" levels, or if the thing starts making unexpected sounds, then I'm doing it wrong.

... and then I have to put a CPU on a motherboard and the correct way absolutely does involve close-to-breaking forces and squeaky sounds.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by Ensorceled » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 10:55 AM UTC

lmm wrote: post #484

Ensorceled wrote: post #457

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How could some sanity checks be worse than NO sanity checks at all? In the YouTube case, I mean. This is happening ALL the time.

An inconsistently applied sanity check creates a false sense of security. Like how a safety barrier that isn't strong enough to take someone's weight might be worse than no barrier.

Right, I understand the concept. What I'm saying is that a safety barrier that sometimes doesn't work is better than rails that always guide you off a cliff; which is currently the YouTube model.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by Ensorceled » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 10:56 AM UTC

hamandcheese wrote: post #482

Ensorceled wrote: post #457

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How could some sanity checks be worse than NO sanity checks at all? In the YouTube case, I mean. This is happening ALL the time.

For the same reason human babysitters of autonomous vehicles don't succeed in preventing pedestrians from getting run over.

Right, but a human babysitter is better than NO babysitter.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by tverrbjelke » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 11:22 AM UTC

JUUST on the way to re-learn some guitar skills. So this is my desperate effort to get some of his tutorials to me... (from his youtube channel playlists)… Sad.

I also downloaded the related free tabs from his website https://www.goliathguitartutorials.com/index.html

$ for f in $(cat downloadlist.txt); do echo $f; done

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by C1sc0cat » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 11:24 AM UTC

bluGill wrote: post #680

C1sc0cat wrote: post #673

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Why would you ever ever have the ability do this "allowing premature opening of the sterilizer door". Ironic it was air quality regulations - that did for them.

There needs to be something in case the implementation forgot something. These are dangerous of course, but they can also save the day when something unexpected happens.

This is a physical chemical plant not a website - if you do need to do something like that you do it manually.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by LockAndLol » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 11:34 AM UTC

AHappyCamper wrote: post #597

It's very upsetting to hear this. I've been planning a YouTube channel that discusses layman's philosophy - specifically How to be a A Happy Camper ;) and it's depressing to know that in 2020, the basic support system won't be there.

If your exclusive goal is to make money, you might consider peertube, lbry, bitchute or an alternative site. You don't have to use YouTube.