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Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by chii »

Gene_Parmesan wrote: post #259
core-questions wrote: post #229

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I see you've rediscovered the publisher vs. platform dichotomy! Those of us who believe in free speech understand that people will say things we don't like, and further understand that the sacrifice of ignoring content we dislike is worth it for the greater principle. I know this is difficult when people are saying things you believe to be untrue, but thus far nobody has come up with an alternative that doesn't resul…

I've never understood people's conflation of "I do not like your speech" with "censorship." A bookstore refusing to carry books by certain authors is in no way censorship, for instance (the books still exist, just not in that bookstore), yet when we bring things into the digital realm for some reason people seem to lose the distinction. Let me put it this way. Nothing is stopping hateful people from creating their ow…

> A bookstore refusing to carry books by certain authors is in no way censorship

so i have to make my own bookstore just to sell that book? I'd say that's pretty close to censorship. Even tho the constitution doesn't stop private censorship (only gov't censorship), it isn't a good outcome imo.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by duskwuff »

core-questions wrote: post #229
whatever1 wrote: post #224

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Search for the word “Jews” in your site.

I see you've rediscovered the publisher vs. platform dichotomy! Those of us who believe in free speech understand that people will say things we don't like, and further understand that the sacrifice of ignoring content we dislike is worth it for the greater principle. I know this is difficult when people are saying things you believe to be untrue, but thus far nobody has come up with an alternative that doesn't resul…

If your platform has become a host for hateful extremist content, you have a problem you need to fix. Shrugging your shoulders and calling it free speech is a lazy non-answer -- it's only going to get worse if it's left unchecked.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by CamperBob2 »

stainforth wrote: post #152
nautilus12 wrote: post #136

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That explains everything. Only sell what you yourself would find useful.

But what about the Scarface rule: "Never get high on your own supply"?

Good advice if you're selling sketchy street drugs. Not good advice if you're a software/services provider.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by hnick »

kllrnohj wrote: post #232
jcranmer wrote: post #205

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> Per the video it sounds like he received 5 DMCA copyright strikes to which he issues counter-claims. Actually, I believe YouTube uses a mechanism which is explicitly not-DMCA for its copyright claims. Under the DMCA, a user has the right of counterclaim, where the user says "your claim is wrong, here's why, see you in court", and the service provider has to reinstate the claimed material (unless it actually goes to…

Per the video the creator did issue a counter claim, this is stated at timestamp 2:40. He then also states the course of action to follow is either they drop the claim or sue him - this is exactly the DMCA system. As far as I know YouTube's mechanisms do not end in a courtroom.

Sure but if it's a real DMCA claim won't Google be obligated to reinstate the content?

https://www.dmca.com/faq/What-is-a-DMCA-Counterclaim

There's a summary but it links to a more detailed PDF.

If it is a "real" DMCA claim, then according to this Google must put the content back up within 10 to 14 business days. If it's Google's house rules then they don't, but that would mean it's not a real DMCA claim.

Now I understand Google reserves the right to ban you for anything at any time, like all providers. But that would be a secondary action in addition to this.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by wlll »

core-questions wrote: post #266
Gene_Parmesan wrote: post #259

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I've never understood people's conflation of "I do not like your speech" with "censorship." A bookstore refusing to carry books by certain authors is in no way censorship, for instance (the books still exist, just not in that bookstore), yet when we bring things into the digital realm for some reason people seem to lose the distinction. Let me put it this way. Nothing is stopping hateful people from creating their ow…

> Nothing is stopping hateful people from creating their own video hosting platform and hosting their drivel. Cloudflare and domain registrar bans, payment processor bans and deplatforming, etc. would beg to differ.

You can still do it, you don't need to use cloudflare, you don't need to use that registrar.

You don't even need to use the Internet, paint it on a sign and walk around the street with it on a pole.

You're not having your free speech impeded by any of this, because refusing to carry someone elses speech isn't censorship, it's just that when you say things that are repulsive to people they won't want to help promote it.

If you want free speech go to your door, walk outside, start taking. You got your free speech. Everything else is a bonus.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by bleepblorp »

kristofferR wrote: post #171
cltby wrote: post #148

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What reasons do you give your clients for preferring AWS/Azure?

Yeah, Amazon aren't exactly good guys either - there's too much to mention really, they're at least as bad as Alphabet. Alphabet doesn't to my knowledge use poverty wages combined with prison like surveillance and massive union busting to prevent employees to be treated as thrash. https://www.thedailybeast.com/amazon-the-shocking-911-calls-... https://www.zdnet.com/article/amazon-is-hiring-intelligence-...

If you're choosing cloud service providers on the basis of corporate ethics, Azure is your best choice at the moment.

The optimists would say that's a testament to how much Msft's behavior has improved over the past 30 years; the pessimists would say its an indictment of just how bad Amzn and Goog really are.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by duskwuff »

GhostVII wrote: post #214
_fs wrote: post #200

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So, of those sites, I had only heard of dailymotion. The others I had never visited before, so they will have no history on me, and will get clean recommendations. Upon going to each one, here's what I got: lbry.tv - Shows 6 videos on the front page above the fold. 3 are appear to be strongly political, and 1 is pushing a far right conspiracy. NEXT. bitchute.com - Front page appears to be entirely far right propagand…

I think the problem is that of the people removed from YouTube, the vast majority are going to be removed for unsavory or misleading content, so any alternative anti-censorship sites are dominated by those people. You have the same problem with Reddit vs something like Voat. It would be cool if these sites were able to mirror all of the youtube content as well, so you get all of youtube plus the content that people a…

As far as I can remember, Voat has always courted the alt-right segment. The fact that they became a haven for extremist content wasn't an accident.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by outworlder »

zamalek wrote: post #192
bilalq wrote: post #14

This is just the general trend with things running on Google owned services. I don't think I've ever had to deal with a more customer/user hostile company. I've had an Android app get payments blocked and had to deal with repeated back-and-forth resending of the same documents over and over before they unblocked it. I never did get an answer on why any of that was necessary or why it was impossible to ever speak to a…

I wouldn't touch GCP with a barge pole for these reasons.

> I wouldn't touch GCP with a barge pole for these reasons.

It all depends on how big you are. If you have a sizable account there will be actual people you assigned to your account and that you can call, on top of the normal ticketing system that you already have access to.

It is the same on AWS. Although AWS is on top of the game, followed by Azure.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by tashi »

kllrnohj wrote: post #237
avianlyric wrote: post #146

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OP is talking is quoting a support article about manual claims, and how google require these manual claims must include a timestamp and description. Something that is notably missing from the strikes shown in the video. GP is saying that their system shouldn’t let copyright claimants just ignore Google’s policy. Which is clearly what’s happened here. Which just further demonstrates Google’s contempt for its creators.

Those are manual claims via YouTube's non-DMCA system. YouTube still has to respect DMCA claims and YouTube cannot impose requirements on DMCA notices. If it's a valid legal DMCA complaint, YouTube must comply. Google's policy is irrelevant here as it's not law. The point of confusion here is that there's multiple ways to issue a copyright strike on YouTube. If this is via YouTube's internal mechanisms, then yeah thi…

The video explains that these are DMCA notices but the problem is how YouTube is handling them.
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