Discussed last year hacker news: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20711498 I was very skeptical whether this is scalable as up to two percent of the cows feed needs to be replaced with the sea weed and we simply do not produce sea weed at scale yet: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=20713552 The TL;DR was: in order to supply 1.5 billion cows with the seaweed we might need up to 291.000 metric tons of algae per…
Seems like if we can manufacture the active chemical (bromoform) without seaweed, it'll be much more scalable. Then there's also an even crazier idea: create a massive sea in the middle of Australia and use that for seaweed farming.
Australia to produce seaweed cattle feed that reduces methane emissions by 80%
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Re: Australia to produce seaweed cattle feed that reduces methane emissions by 80%
#52Earlier quoted context omitted.
Last time I checked everybody I know is an fertilizer excreting animal..
it's because they're all made from meat.
Re: Australia to produce seaweed cattle feed that reduces methane emissions by 80%
#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
"What about Antarctica" is the most straw man argument possible when talking about food sourcing.
What about the space station? Shipping is expensive, but the real estate for farming is even more expensive.
Re: Australia to produce seaweed cattle feed that reduces methane emissions by 80%
#54How much could this reduce the total environmental food print of cattle? I.e. including all the energy used to grow the crops they eat, the deforestation to make room for the crops + cattle, the waste the cows produce. Animal farming creates vast damage because of how inefficient it is and seaweed won't address how much feed cows need or that the world is eating more and more meat as countries get richer: > The energ…
> Whole milk: 24% That is a crazy high efficiency, when you think about it. A quarter of all food this animal receives through its entire life ends up as milk. The rest is used for growing cells, keeping it alive and warm, moving around. Back of the napkin says that I've eaten my bodyweight in food in less than 2 months.
> "The green revolution has won a temporary success in man’s war against hunger and deprivation; it has given man a breathing space. If fully implemented, the revolution can provide sufficient food for sustenance during the next three decades. But the frightening power of human reproduction must also be curbed; otherwise the success of the green revolution will be ephemeral only. . . Most people still fail to comprehend the magnitude and menace of the “Population Monster”. . . Since man is potentially a rational being, however, I am confident that within the next two decades he will recognize the self-destructive course he steers along the road of irresponsible population growth."
We haven't curbed population growth. It's slowing, but we're in overshoot, which leads to collapse, and most projections still show us growing through 2100.
Luckily, have examples like Mechai Viravaidya in Thailand, who helped lower their population growth from around 7 children per couple to below 2 through voluntary means -- think the opposite of China's One Child Policy -- leading to greater stability and abundance. His TEDx talk: https://www.ted.com/talks/mechai_viravaidya_how_mr_condom_ma....
Re: Australia to produce seaweed cattle feed that reduces methane emissions by 80%
#55That's great and all, but it's fighting symptoms , not the underlying problem. The underlying problem isn't cows emitting methane, the problem is too many people indoctrinated with the idea of eating all the animals, all the time. The amount of land, energy and ressources in general spent on producing way too many animals for eating is unreasonable.
Marketing (and industry/capitalism behind it) created the demand which is now used as an excuse for producers to use more and more animals (which as we know creates more pollution and land/ecosystem destruction).
Even if they fix the gas emissions, there's still the manure problem. For example, in this tiny country of the Netherlands, in 2019 "the Dutch dairy farming sector produced 280.6 million kg of nitrogen excretions" [1]. That's _just_ the dairy sector, and _just_ the nitrogen component of the manure.
We can apply human ingenuity for decades to remedy symptoms, or we can instead decide that we have been moving in a fundamentally wrong direction in terms of using animals as consumable resources.
That's not to say that humans cannot get benefits from animals (such as free roaming chickens aerating and fertilizing land, goats grazing and clearing brush, etc.).
Re: Australia to produce seaweed cattle feed that reduces methane emissions by 80%
#56If we stop eating the bastards we can reduce it by close to 100%
Re: Australia to produce seaweed cattle feed that reduces methane emissions by 80%
#57That's great and all, but it's fighting symptoms , not the underlying problem. The underlying problem isn't cows emitting methane, the problem is too many people indoctrinated with the idea of eating all the animals, all the time. The amount of land, energy and ressources in general spent on producing way too many animals for eating is unreasonable.
What's the process to come up with the number for the right amount of animal eating?
Somehow people prefer eating the most disgusting piece of chicken/beef I've ever seen every single day of their week rather than go for the totally fine salad bar, which is cheaper and has a variety of cheese, nuts, salad, &c. or the vegetarian dish of the day
Re: Australia to produce seaweed cattle feed that reduces methane emissions by 80%
#58That's great and all, but it's fighting symptoms , not the underlying problem. The underlying problem isn't cows emitting methane, the problem is too many people indoctrinated with the idea of eating all the animals, all the time. The amount of land, energy and ressources in general spent on producing way too many animals for eating is unreasonable.
What's the process to come up with the number for the right amount of animal eating?
Re: Australia to produce seaweed cattle feed that reduces methane emissions by 80%
#59I still think that there is a simple explanation for the 'reduction in methane' effect, and that the plan has some severe loopholes Raising cattle in a regular diet of seaweed for its entire life and expecting it to grow correctly is still uncharted territory. Are we pushing cow metabolism to the brink of famine? Wild seaweeds are harvested and sold for several purposes: 1) To make agar-agar. A substance that is used…
Re: Australia to produce seaweed cattle feed that reduces methane emissions by 80%
#60Earlier quoted context omitted.
There's also the "classic" option, discovered some 200 years before synthetic fertilizers - crop rotation that includes some form of legumes. IMO with the current state of agriculture and food production we went into a local maximum that is very unsustainable and bad for the environment.
There's a reason we had to switch away from that. The crop rotation cycle isn't an efficient use of land. Synthetic fertilizers exist for a reason -- the human race wants and needs an excess of food. No one wants to switch to a model of food scarcity.