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Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by Crosseye_Jack »

rlayton2 wrote: post #576
Crosseye_Jack wrote: post #519

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Under DCMA, on receiving a valid counter notification they are free to put the content back on the site, remove the strike from the content uploader and let the courts handle the matter between the two parties. https://twitter.com/leonardjfrench/status/130794817037951385... It’s only if Google “ignore” valid dmca takedown notifications they are at risk of losing their safe harbour exceptions. How they handle the coun…

I don't know, but I've read that the counter here is that YouTube's system isn't actually DCMA - they are pursuing copyright over and above that system, and therefore the "protections" in DCMA don't apply - you broke a Google policy, not a law, and therefore you have no recourse.

There is "copyright take down requests" which are DMCA takedowns and gives the uploader strikes against their account and there is Googles own copyright system (Content ID) which Google would rather have right holders use (as they don't have to issue strikes to the users) that allow the claimant leave the video up but get the analyics from the video, claim the ad revunue from the video, mute the video (in cases where its an audio claim) or remove the video.

When you get a claim on the latter system (Content ID) you don't get a strike on your account but if you appeal the claim its (normally) upto the claimant to decide if your appeal is valid or not (sometimes YT does step in an say "yeah its fair use, have your ad rev back" but that is not the norm).

These takedowns are actual DMCA takedown requests. (even TeamYouTube are telling him to issue (valid) counter notifications to these claims - https://twitter.com/TeamYouTube/status/1306733040211824645)

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by kortilla »

rev0lutions wrote: post #580
bestnameever wrote: post #570

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> The fact that Google/Youtube has zero support infrastructure should be evidence that they are a monopoly and engaging in monopolistic activity. I'm not sure one has anything to do with the other.

100% it does. it means they have no incentive to justify their actions to the market

No, you can have a business model with no customer support without a monopoly. The potential lost sales are just part of the equation.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by Joeri »

jennyyang wrote: post #566

The fact that Google/Youtube has zero support infrastructure should be evidence that they are a monopoly and engaging in monopolistic activity. If Google/Youtube were NOT a monopoly, they would have invested significant amount of money in customer support. However, there is zero. The only reason they get away with this is because they have a monopoly. They are saving hundreds of millions in support costs by not deliv…

They do have support infrastructure for their customers. Youtube content creators are not customers, they’re more akin to contractors (when paid) and volunteers (when not). In fact, google is the customer in this relationship, and they are within their rights to stop buying the product without having to explain why.

It is on content creators to diversify their business. If a contractor has only a single customer because that customer is the most profitable, would you pity them when they are fired by that customer? Or would you call them bad at business for failing to diversify?

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by xmprt »

bestnameever wrote: post #570
jennyyang wrote: post #566

The fact that Google/Youtube has zero support infrastructure should be evidence that they are a monopoly and engaging in monopolistic activity. If Google/Youtube were NOT a monopoly, they would have invested significant amount of money in customer support. However, there is zero. The only reason they get away with this is because they have a monopoly. They are saving hundreds of millions in support costs by not deliv…

> The fact that Google/Youtube has zero support infrastructure should be evidence that they are a monopoly and engaging in monopolistic activity. I'm not sure one has anything to do with the other.

If they weren't a monopoly then they wouldn't be able to get away with fraudulent activity like deleting someone's Google account or accepting false DMCA claims with no recourse or not paying out Ad Sense revenue because they flagged your account (without explaining why).

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by tartoran »

jennyyang wrote: post #566

The fact that Google/Youtube has zero support infrastructure should be evidence that they are a monopoly and engaging in monopolistic activity. If Google/Youtube were NOT a monopoly, they would have invested significant amount of money in customer support. However, there is zero. The only reason they get away with this is because they have a monopoly. They are saving hundreds of millions in support costs by not deliv…

I think so too. If they were not a monopoly they'd have content creators fleeing the platform for how they handle these type of situations but for many youtube provides a decent source of income. Content creators respected their part of the bargain and worked hard to build their channels and Google benefitted quite well. But they're not only not equal, one zero power and the other one has all of it.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by Crosseye_Jack »

AstralStorm wrote: post #575
Crosseye_Jack wrote: post #519

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Under DCMA, on receiving a valid counter notification they are free to put the content back on the site, remove the strike from the content uploader and let the courts handle the matter between the two parties. https://twitter.com/leonardjfrench/status/130794817037951385... It’s only if Google “ignore” valid dmca takedown notifications they are at risk of losing their safe harbour exceptions. How they handle the coun…

They're not afraid of DMCA, but big money pulling out if they're insufficiently aggressive about claims...

Which is why they have Content ID. Big money can use the system to claim the ad rev / remove the content (without giving the user a strike) then putting the onus on the uploader of the video to then take the fight to the claimant for breaching their rights.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by seanyesmunt »

im3w1l wrote: post #409
seanyesmunt wrote: post #150

I work for LBRY inc, and am happy to answer any questions people have.

I have never heard of lbry before, but I went to your site and was positively surprised. I looked into same gaming content and found what I was looking for. Playback was smooth and high quality. For my question I wonder how it compares to the other services that deadalus mentioned?

Nice. Checkout https://odysee.com/$/gaming for more curated gaming content. Odysee is another (more centralized) frontend built on top of the LBRY protocol.

Here is a good link comparing other sites https://lbry.com/faq/different-bitchute

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by cung »

Joeri wrote: post #583
jennyyang wrote: post #566

The fact that Google/Youtube has zero support infrastructure should be evidence that they are a monopoly and engaging in monopolistic activity. If Google/Youtube were NOT a monopoly, they would have invested significant amount of money in customer support. However, there is zero. The only reason they get away with this is because they have a monopoly. They are saving hundreds of millions in support costs by not deliv…

They do have support infrastructure for their customers. Youtube content creators are not customers, they’re more akin to contractors (when paid) and volunteers (when not). In fact, google is the customer in this relationship, and they are within their rights to stop buying the product without having to explain why. It is on content creators to diversify their business. If a contractor has only a single customer beca…

I feel like this is the problem. The content creators and users don’t matter as they aren’t the customers.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #498
kauffj wrote: post #175

More than 25,000 YouTubers now publish to the LBRY protocol, with more coming over every day, for reasons just like this. The total reach of these creators is more than 400,000,000 people. We're just rolling out our mainstream video product explicitly designed to compete with YouTube @ https://odysee.com To learn more about the protocol itself, check out https://lbry.tech

Interesting concept. I've been hoping and wishing for something, anything, to come along and replace Youtube with a freedom-of-speech oriented platform. But in the FAQ there's this: "LBRY.COM / LBRY.TV allows content to be flagged as inappropriate. Should any content be flagged as illegal, unlawful, harassing, harmful, offensive or various other reasons, LBRY.COM / LBRY.TV shall remove it from the site without delay.…

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Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by seanyesmunt »

blisterpeanuts wrote: post #498
kauffj wrote: post #175

More than 25,000 YouTubers now publish to the LBRY protocol, with more coming over every day, for reasons just like this. The total reach of these creators is more than 400,000,000 people. We're just rolling out our mainstream video product explicitly designed to compete with YouTube @ https://odysee.com To learn more about the protocol itself, check out https://lbry.tech

Interesting concept. I've been hoping and wishing for something, anything, to come along and replace Youtube with a freedom-of-speech oriented platform. But in the FAQ there's this: "LBRY.COM / LBRY.TV allows content to be flagged as inappropriate. Should any content be flagged as illegal, unlawful, harassing, harmful, offensive or various other reasons, LBRY.COM / LBRY.TV shall remove it from the site without delay.…

It can be hidden from our official apps (but turned off by commenting out a single line in the UI code[0]). That content is still accessible via the LBRY sdk[1], and it is not possible for the company to remove it from the network.

[0]: https://github.com/lbryio/lbry-desktop/blob/master/ui/index....

[1]: https://github.com/lbryio/lbry-sdk

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