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Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by endgame » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 12:44 AM UTC

_jal wrote: post #225

zamalek wrote: post #192

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I wouldn't touch GCP with a barge pole for these reasons.

Or their free email. If you use them, ask yourself, if they locked you out, what data would you lose? And how many accounts at other services are going to give you grief because you can't reply from that address now?

I was using G Suite on a personal domain, and woke up one morning to discover that google refused to let me IMAP into my account any more. The error message pointed me at a browser verification page which I did multiple times, to no avail, so I moved to a different email provider.

Thanks for the final push, Google. I've been meaning to move for years.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by tristor » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 12:44 AM UTC

ilikehurdles wrote: post #399

heartbeats wrote: post #386

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Losing my job over them definitely dissuades me from sharing them in the future. This impedes my freedom of speech. If you're saying that you're not physically prevented from saying whatever you'd like, but with that being the limit, it seems like just about any infringement becomes acceptable. > Being put to death by the government has not prevented you from sharing those statements.

No. I'm specifically calling out that the government is not impeding. Other private actors are sharing bad things you did and exercising their Freedom of Association to disassociate from you. They shouldn't be forced to carry you around. That's it. It's the free market deciding. All speech has consequences. You, the free speech enthusiast, not being prepared to pay those consequences is not cause for a government bai…

> No. I'm specifically calling out that the government is not impeding.

Ah, you are making the same claim (and thus mistake) as another commenter in another thread I responded to. Freedom of speech is not just a law, it is also a social more. It's basis is first in philosophy, and then in law stemming from that. Just because the government has not violated your First Amendment civil rights, does not mean your freedom of speech has not been violated in some other way.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by kalium-xyz » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 12:44 AM UTC

AlchemistCamp wrote: post #362

koolba wrote: post #267

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Free email is fine. Just make sure to own your own domain and MX records. Worst case you switch to somewhere else and keep on mailing.

Is it actually possible to own as opposed to renting?

Not if using the regular popular DNS and want a domain name because you are just paying some entity for the right to include you on a list of addresses and nothing more. However you can own IPs and you can run your own DNS. Though you might have a hard time getting your IP routed to if you dont let it be managed by some ISP.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by jaimex2 » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 12:45 AM UTC

vvanders wrote: post #393

titzer wrote: post #357

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Let me also add a counter-point to my own point: Google is subject to an absolute metric crapton of abuse. With a revenue stream that massive and warchest that huge, they are a constant target for scammers the world over. It's a total warzone out there, not just in terms of cybersecurity but also in terms of fraud and abuse. If you think Nigerian prince scams are bad, just put some serious (nefarious) brainpower behi…

What makes Google unique here? I can think of many other companies who have similar scale or even larger incentives for abuse but never seem to fail to engage to the same degree as Google does.

Nothing other than Google is obsesed with automating things with half baked machine learning solutions and thinking they don't need a service desk with humans.

Other companies automate a lot but its way easier to get to a person. Twitter, Facebook, Amazon - they will all get back to you in under 48 hours and actually undo what the machines have done.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by p1necone » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 12:45 AM UTC

kortilla wrote: post #374

Gene_Parmesan wrote: post #259

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I've never understood people's conflation of "I do not like your speech" with "censorship." A bookstore refusing to carry books by certain authors is in no way censorship, for instance (the books still exist, just not in that bookstore), yet when we bring things into the digital realm for some reason people seem to lose the distinction. Let me put it this way. Nothing is stopping hateful people from creating their ow…

> bookstore refusing to carry books by certain authors is in no way censorship It’s fucking textbook definition of censorship. https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/censorship Are you conflating “government censorship” with censorship?

What do you think the alternative is? You want the government to mandate that every book store carries all books? Book stores have a right to curate their selection as they see fit in exactly the same way that authors have a right to write what they see fit.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by heartbeats » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 12:46 AM UTC

ilikehurdles wrote: post #390

core-questions wrote: post #366

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Sorry, are you telling people to simply "start their own payment processor"? Do you realize what kind of an ask that is?

You're not entitled to Square or Visa or Paypal or Mastercard payments. If you're reduced to cryptocurrency and cash, it is what is is. Profiting from your speech in one specific way over another is not enshrined in some code of human rights.

What if you get a letter from the bank telling you to withdraw all your money and cough up the value of the mortgage in a week or be evicted?

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by gpm » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 12:46 AM UTC

n_u_l_l wrote: post #311

throwayws wrote: post #17

https://support.google.com/youtube/answer/9374251?hl=en > It’s important that creators always have detailed knowledge about who is claiming content in their videos, where it appears, and what they can do to resolve the claim. That’s why all new manual claims will require copyright owners to provide timestamps to indicate exactly where their copyrighted content appears in videos they claim, and we’ve updated our editi…

Disclaimer: I have extensive knowledge about YouTube Content ID (CID) and DMCA notices, but I'm not a lawyer. This isn't legal advice. He received a DMCA takedown, which is different from a copyright claim. Copyright claiming is a system made by YouTube for copyright owners to easily monetize/monitor reuse of their content instead of having to take down the content. It also allows splitting revenue in cases where one…

> the service provider needs to reinstate the content

I believe this is may reinstate the content, I don't think they're obligated too. Also not a lawyer.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by nemothekid » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 12:46 AM UTC

samatman wrote: post #221

_fs wrote: post #200

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So, of those sites, I had only heard of dailymotion. The others I had never visited before, so they will have no history on me, and will get clean recommendations. Upon going to each one, here's what I got: lbry.tv - Shows 6 videos on the front page above the fold. 3 are appear to be strongly political, and 1 is pushing a far right conspiracy. NEXT. bitchute.com - Front page appears to be entirely far right propagand…

Yeah, this is part of YouTube's moat. Twitter as well. Of the people who get kicked off of those platforms, a significant number will be socially obnoxious. They of course have "freedom of speech but not freedom of reach", and our legal structure has decided that the big platforms get to enjoy being both a platform and a publisher, simultaneously. So when a competitor comes along, the natural way to differentiate is…

>So when a competitor comes along, the natural way to differentiate is to say "we won't ban you unless you break the law".

We are "Social Media X but with no moderation" is a braindead business strategy. I'm failing to find a source, but moot (this founder of the anything goes social website), once said of all the 4chan clones, the ones that never lasted were the ones that were started by people who decided to make their own 4chan clone after being banned from the site. Naturally people discovered those clones were filled with insufferable asshats and died off.

Naturally when you look at these video sites, very few of them actually offer the number one thing I would expect from a YouTube clone - revenue sharing. So not only are they not competitive with YouTube, but for a large group of people kicked off of YouTube, they aren't even substitutes.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by hashtagmarkup » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 12:46 AM UTC

At least 5 other times I've seen these stories reach the HN first page have all been resolved within 24 hours. Then everyone complains that even though they fixed this specific case, imagine all the other people whose channels aren't fixed! Even when the system works, everyone will still complain.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by ocdtrekkie » Thu, Sep 24, 2020, 12:47 AM UTC

vvanders wrote: post #393

titzer wrote: post #357

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let me also add a counter-point to my own point: Google is subject to an absolute metric crapton of abuse. With a revenue stream that massive and warchest that huge, they are a constant target for scammers the world over. It's a total warzone out there, not just in terms of cybersecurity but also in terms of fraud and abuse. If you think Nigerian prince scams are bad, just put some serious (nefarious) brainpower behi…

What makes Google unique here? I can think of many other companies who have similar scale or even larger incentives for abuse but never seem to fail to engage to the same degree as Google does.

The main difference is traditional large companies aren't nearly as valuable or profitable because they employ a increasing number of support and customer service staff.

The only reason Google is as profitable as it is is because it's happy to automatically delete people's livelihoods programmatically for free.