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Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by yeetfaraway »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #380
tristor wrote: post #327

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> If you want free speech go to your door, walk outside, start taking. You got your free speech. Everything else is a bonus. This argument is reductio ad absurdum, except executed against an argument you support. De-platforming online is in opposition to free speech, and the fact you can walk out your front door with a sign does not mitigate the loss of equal power behind your speech that others enjoy by using Intern…

> the fact you can walk out your front door with a sign does not mitigate the loss of equal power behind your speech that others enjoy by using Internet services. You standing on the street with a sign is in no way equivalent in character or reach to writing what your sign says on Twitter Maybe the answer is obvious to you, but it is not to me: why should these things be equivalent? Why should you be entitled to twit…

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Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by cedilla »

teh_klev wrote: post #339
kllrnohj wrote: post #217

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> Youtube don't do those YouTube can't just "opt out" of the law. YouTube absolutely responds to DMCA notices, and per the video he issued counter-claims already - that's a core part of responding to DMCA. https://www.youtube.com/howyoutubeworks/policies/copyright/#... And you don't have to go through youtube's webtools to submit one, either (which of course you don't - the law doesn't require that). You can mail, fa…

> YouTube absolutely responds to DMCA notices, Sure, but these aren't proper DMCA claims. As kristofferR pointed out there are other extra jurisdictional mechanisms that Google employ to make your life difficult as a creator. And then, which laws apply? US, UK, EU, Russian, Indian.... Now sure, it's a private platform and they can shut you down any time. I recognise there ain't no free speech on private platforms. Bu…

It's not entirely clear what type of process actually lead YouTube to terminate this channel, so we can't know either.

> there are other extra jurisdictional mechanisms that Google employ to make your life difficult as a creator.

That's not quite true. The DMCA is a very strict mechanism. You get a notice, you take down the content, and if the uploader isn't happy with that, they have to sue the claimant.

Of course, Youtubes process is streamlined for its own interests and the interests of big corporate copyright hoarders. But it's not designed to bully creators.

The problem isn't really the process in itself, it's how Google applies it and the fact that Youtube doesn't seem to care that much for its creators.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by vvanders »

titzer wrote: post #357
titzer wrote: post #324

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It's mostly because: A.) They don't know why, algorithms did it. B.) They can't be bothered looking into it, because you aren't spending enough money. C.) Their systems have now classified you as a scammer and you are now irredemable. D.) They don't want to leak any details that help scammers learn how to get around automated anti-fraud/abuse systems. edit to add: E.) The reason might be something utterly embarrassin…

Let me also add a counter-point to my own point: Google is subject to an absolute metric crapton of abuse. With a revenue stream that massive and warchest that huge, they are a constant target for scammers the world over. It's a total warzone out there, not just in terms of cybersecurity but also in terms of fraud and abuse. If you think Nigerian prince scams are bad, just put some serious (nefarious) brainpower behi…

What makes Google unique here? I can think of many other companies who have similar scale or even larger incentives for abuse but never seem to fail to engage to the same degree as Google does.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

kristofferR wrote: post #154
kllrnohj wrote: post #123

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So does copyright law, and it sounds like the creator received 5 DMCA notices. So yes getting a lawyer would still be the correct course of action.

He hasn't received any DMCA notices, Youtube don't do those - since DMCA gives creators fair use rights and have punishments for fradulent reports. Youtube has its own "extra jurisdictional" copyright system.

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Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

chii wrote: post #281
Gene_Parmesan wrote: post #259

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I've never understood people's conflation of "I do not like your speech" with "censorship." A bookstore refusing to carry books by certain authors is in no way censorship, for instance (the books still exist, just not in that bookstore), yet when we bring things into the digital realm for some reason people seem to lose the distinction. Let me put it this way. Nothing is stopping hateful people from creating their ow…

> A bookstore refusing to carry books by certain authors is in no way censorship so i have to make my own bookstore just to sell that book? I'd say that's pretty close to censorship. Even tho the constitution doesn't stop private censorship (only gov't censorship), it isn't a good outcome imo.

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Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by yeetfaraway »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #390
core-questions wrote: post #366

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Sorry, are you telling people to simply "start their own payment processor"? Do you realize what kind of an ask that is?

You're not entitled to Square or Visa or Paypal or Mastercard payments. If you're reduced to cryptocurrency and cash, it is what is is. Profiting from your speech in one specific way over another is not enshrined in some code of human rights.

Yet.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by pixl97 »

vvanders wrote: post #393
titzer wrote: post #357

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Let me also add a counter-point to my own point: Google is subject to an absolute metric crapton of abuse. With a revenue stream that massive and warchest that huge, they are a constant target for scammers the world over. It's a total warzone out there, not just in terms of cybersecurity but also in terms of fraud and abuse. If you think Nigerian prince scams are bad, just put some serious (nefarious) brainpower behi…

What makes Google unique here? I can think of many other companies who have similar scale or even larger incentives for abuse but never seem to fail to engage to the same degree as Google does.

How many other companies operate at the scale of Google and are not accused of the exact same problems?

Do you have any examples?

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by ilikehurdles »

heartbeats wrote: post #386
ilikehurdles wrote: post #380

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> the fact you can walk out your front door with a sign does not mitigate the loss of equal power behind your speech that others enjoy by using Internet services. You standing on the street with a sign is in no way equivalent in character or reach to writing what your sign says on Twitter Maybe the answer is obvious to you, but it is not to me: why should these things be equivalent? Why should you be entitled to twit…

Losing my job over them definitely dissuades me from sharing them in the future. This impedes my freedom of speech. If you're saying that you're not physically prevented from saying whatever you'd like, but with that being the limit, it seems like just about any infringement becomes acceptable. > Being put to death by the government has not prevented you from sharing those statements.

No. I'm specifically calling out that the government is not impeding. Other private actors are sharing bad things you did and exercising their Freedom of Association to disassociate from you. They shouldn't be forced to carry you around. That's it. It's the free market deciding.

All speech has consequences. You, the free speech enthusiast, not being prepared to pay those consequences is not cause for a government bailout or arrests of website hosts.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by lopmotr »

pault wrote: post #212
lopmotr wrote: post #62

It quickly stops being a mystery when he admits he uses other people's copyright material but "no more of the original subject matter than is necessary". That right after dishonestly asserting "every aspect of every video that I produce is generated by myself". If you aren't exploiting someone else's work, then don't use it! Even if it really is fair use, that just means he would win a lawsuit, not that every publish…

Is teaching how to play the intro to Hey Jude on an acoustic guitar exploiting someone else's work? It's not like he's uploading the white album to YouTube.

If that lesson was broadcast on TV, the music would have been licensed, not "publish and pray". If he was really just teaching how to play the guitar, and not taking advantage of the fame of someone else's work that they paid to make popular, then he could have used a free unknown song or one he wrote himself.
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