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They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by d3nj4l »

core-questions wrote: post #261
revscat wrote: post #252

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Free speech absolutism is destructive. Facebook is an example of this. Climate change denialism is another. Holocaust denial is another.

> Free speech absolutism is destructive. OK, cool. So who gets to decide what speech is allowed? What do the parameters look like? What level of "consensus" gets to establish facts? What happens if there's consensus and someone discovers some new compelling counter-argument or evidence to the contrary for something? You'll find that even in places like Canada where there are hate speech laws, the restrictions are lim…

> So who gets to decide what speech is allowed?

Do you want to make that decision before or after a hate crime happens?

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by AlchemistCamp »

koolba wrote: post #267
el_dev_hell wrote: post #242

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I managed to get myself temporarily locked out of a 10+ year old gmail account 2 months ago. I managed to get it back easily (finding my old phone sim and resetting). But it was a traumatic experience. I signed up for Fastmail that day and did a complete download of all data. I'm still in the migration phase (which is a pain), but I'm aiming to go completely gmail free for the rest of my life. I implore anyone readin…

Free email is fine. Just make sure to own your own domain and MX records. Worst case you switch to somewhere else and keep on mailing.

Is it actually possible to own as opposed to renting?

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by core-questions »

tristor wrote: post #327
wlll wrote: post #286

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You can still do it, you don't need to use cloudflare, you don't need to use that registrar. You don't even need to use the Internet, paint it on a sign and walk around the street with it on a pole. You're not having your free speech impeded by any of this, because refusing to carry someone elses speech isn't censorship, it's just that when you say things that are repulsive to people they won't want to help promote i…

> If you want free speech go to your door, walk outside, start taking. You got your free speech. Everything else is a bonus. This argument is reductio ad absurdum, except executed against an argument you support. De-platforming online is in opposition to free speech, and the fact you can walk out your front door with a sign does not mitigate the loss of equal power behind your speech that others enjoy by using Intern…

Well, here's the thing: their actual opposition is not truly to _free speech_ per se, it's to particular ideas that they want to quash. Whether or not there's a legitimate reason to dissuade people from thinking about those ideas is a different question.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by kelnos »

lucb1e wrote: post #238
OJFord wrote: post #196

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> they don't decide what is or is not fair use, leaving it up to the courts. This means the default position is that nothing is fair use unless the content creator is willing to go through the expensive process of proving it. Well.. that doesn't sound right? That sounds like Google's decided it will treat the accused as guilty unless/until they defend and prove their innocence? Could it not equally decide all claims…

Given that the rights holders are litigious and the ones with the money, if I were Google I'd also be taking the content down rather than being a sitting duck waiting to get sued whenever a random user clicks the dispute button on their strike notification. Of course, taking all other videos down and disallowing to open another channel ever, those are not measures which should be used until both parties agree that th…

The thing is, Google has nothing to fear here. The DMCA -- as much as we generally think it's a poorly-thought-out law -- already handles this. There's no need for Google to do anything beyond handling DMCA notices in accordance with the law, but they've decided -- likely because it's better for business -- to cater to the needs of large rights holders at the expense of individuals.

As long as they handle DMCA notices as they're supposed to, they're not at all liable for the content posted on their platform (copyright-wise). But it's easier for them to provide a guilty-until-proven-innocent fast-track for their larger, trusted, monied rights holders.

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by core-questions »

ilikehurdles wrote: post #304
core-questions wrote: post #266

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> Nothing is stopping hateful people from creating their own video hosting platform and hosting their drivel. Cloudflare and domain registrar bans, payment processor bans and deplatforming, etc. would beg to differ.

There is nothing unreasonable about choosing alternatives for any of those.

Sorry, are you telling people to simply "start their own payment processor"? Do you realize what kind of an ask that is?

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by [deleted] »

kllrnohj wrote: post #217
kristofferR wrote: post #154

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He hasn't received any DMCA notices, Youtube don't do those - since DMCA gives creators fair use rights and have punishments for fradulent reports. Youtube has its own "extra jurisdictional" copyright system.

> Youtube don't do those YouTube can't just "opt out" of the law. YouTube absolutely responds to DMCA notices, and per the video he issued counter-claims already - that's a core part of responding to DMCA. https://www.youtube.com/howyoutubeworks/policies/copyright/#... And you don't have to go through youtube's webtools to submit one, either (which of course you don't - the law doesn't require that). You can mail, fa…

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Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by judge2020 »

true_religion wrote: post #131
judge2020 wrote: post #130

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I mean AWS does the same thing - mine crypto using credits to speedrun getting your account terminated. The only difference with GCP is that they have a reputation for this.

Crypto mining on a free trial is just unethical.

Regular credits as well. I'm speaking more about when an attacker mines monero on a compromised server, and I wasn't talking about products being axed (but I now realize the OP was).

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by totaldude87 »

rvz wrote: post #322
totaldude87 wrote: post #53

WOW, initially i thought this was some average joe's channel where bots can run rampage(even this is wrong).. 770,000 subscribers 120 million views 600 videos all gone in 4 days!!!!! keep rocking youtube!!! Google is now a monopoly with Search, Youtube and probably gmail be right?!

This really isn't a surprise and has been happening to lots of fringe creators and lesser known channels with as many subscribers for years. It was only a matter of time before it happened to other high profile creators.

Yeah, my point is that the problem is so real that even high profile creators are left to bite dust..

Re: They're deleting my channel, but they don't know why? [video]

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Post by Barrin92 »

mundo wrote: post #337
whatever1 wrote: post #224

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Search for the word “Jews” in your site.

Do you want a video platform that deletes stuff? Or one that doesn't? Choice A leads to the problem this thread is discussing. Choice B leads to the problem you're describing. Personally I would prefer a choice C, a platform that deletes stuff I don't like and nothing else, but I don't think that's on offer. The closest thing available is platforms that delete stuff that offends their target demographic, as determine…

>Do you want a video platform that deletes stuff? Or one that doesn't?

If I have to choose between a platform that let's anti-Semitism run rampart and Youtube I'll pick Youtube.

However the actual solution is a platform that that develops enough tools and hires enough human moderators to thwart blatant racism or hateful content while not accidentally kicking creators off the platform. This is mostly a question of effort and resources, and requires not outsourcing the entire process to a shoddy half-working automated system.

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