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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by dr-detroit »

saagarjha wrote: post #140
jacquesm wrote: post #100

> And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. That must be a real comfort to all the people they laid off. This CEO needs to go, needs to be replaced by someone who is well versed in technology instead of in law.

Says someone who is well versed in commenting on an online forum but not an executive for a large nonprofit. Look, I have nothing for or against Baker, but the constant “she knows nothing about her job because she isn’t a programmer” is just tiresome. You don’t have to be technical to be an effective leader. However, it usually does help and you surely do need to know when your company is going under.

Check out their documentation on how to set basic configuration for FF ESR in an enterprise environment. Now know that they are a rich company. Still think she's doing a good job?

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by eh8 »

happyjack wrote: post #815

This is my 2 cents on the Mozilla situation: Mozilla need to stop sucking at google's teet. I know this is much easier said than done. At some point, the value proposition to google is not going to be that great since they already own the browser market. Not sure about you all, but I use Firefox. I use computers daily and immediately change my search engine to DDG once I have a fresh install. They need to go after co…

People adhere to their browsers pretty well. I wouldn't change my browser at home just because I use it at work unless I wanted to synchronize my Mozilla/Google account across both computers (and this is often prohibited on enterprise licensed FF/Chrome).

Moreover, many companies make use of GSuite to handle email or collaboration tasks. If you already pay for such features, then it makes sense to follow through the platform and stick with Chrome.

To end, I will say that I use Firefox daily at home and work.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by pseudalopex »

cs702 wrote: post #774
TheRealPomax wrote: post #757

Earlier quoted context omitted.

On the internet, "recent" is not an very useful word. Even 5 years ago is literally a different era of the web already, so holding someone to account for shuttering things that for all the world seemed a great idea 5 years ago after only a few years because the web itself stopped being interested in those things is kind of missing the point. All those things are attempts at doing exactly what you're accusing them of…

Please don't attack a straw-man. I agree with you: they are "searching for new hit products" -- that's in fact what I wrote above. But that's what profit-seeking businesses do. Is Mozilla a profit-seeking business, or is it a non-profit, or is it neither, or is it both? Is Mozilla truly trying to "put people before profit," as its website currently claims?[a] The answer today, I think, is no. "Sustainability" (i.e.,…

Sustainability means having the resources to compete with Google and not relying on Google for funding.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by djsumdog »

joshstrange wrote: post #764
djsumdog wrote: post #748

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Brendan Eich's homophobia All we know is that Eich supported one political movement with money. Show me where he has come put publicly as fearing homosexuals. We are in a dangerous world of viewpoint discrimination. A belief on a particular moral or political issue does not represent the totality of an individual. We all disagree on things; some of us on things we consider core unalienable rights and values. But at…

> All we know is that Eich supported one political movement with money. He supported at least 2, Prop 8 directly and a politician who opposed Prop 8. > A belief on a particular moral or political issue does not represent the totality of an individual. Ahh, ok, so it's perfectly fine to believe that gays should not be allowed to marry while leading a company such as Mozilla? > We all disagree on things; some of us on…

> if I should exist

Absolutely no one is saying you should not exist. I hear this phrase a lot and it's pure religious ideology. Everyone exists. Some people may see you differently than you see yourself, but that doesn't mean they deny you exist. We each exist in our own realities, and part of being good human beings is accepting one another while recognizing those differences in our viewpoints and realities.

> so it's perfectly fine to believe that gays should not be allowed to marry while leading a company such as Mozilla

What kind of company is Mozilla? Is it just about Free Software and an open web? An open web means we need open ideas; and not everyone is going to agree on every idea.

Free software needs to be about keeping the software free. We can't start conflating that with every grievance known to man. There is an underlying connection between Freedom of Speech and Freedom of Software that we've somehow lost along the way.

> He supported at least 2, Prop 8 directly and a politician who opposed Prop 8.

So what? It is literally supporting a political cause. People need to be free to support political causes, even those you may personally disagree with. At one time, supporting gay rights, or saying God didn't exist, or translating the Bible into German were considered horrendous offenses[0]. These people were terrible and those who opposed them were keeping everyone else safe from those corrupt views.

Real freedom means being able to talk about and challenge views without fear of oppression by one's government or community. If we can't talk about and rationally discuss ideas and accept people with different moral compasses than our own, then we're in real trouble.

[0]: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BtWrljX9HRA

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by joshstrange »

sergeykish wrote: post #802
joshstrange wrote: post #761

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Mr. Eich once gave $1K to a cause that was anti-gay. And $2.1K to a prop 8 supporter [0] > He backtracked and apologized but was cancelled anyways. This is lie and you are re-writing history. I can find no such statement from him. In fact all he said was he wanted to "express my sorrow at having caused pain" [1], the classic "I'm sorry your were offended by that" non-apology. He has never stated that his support of…

I honestly do not understand. He said his personal opinions are not going to affect his decisions. And I'm sure he can believe in whatever he wants - in Christ, Flat Earth and Aliens if he wants. As outsider it looks like in recent years the most vocal shaming is not of gay or fat but shaming of whoever does not participate in shaming. I really hope that these are not true representatives of LGBT community.

> I honestly do not understand. He said his personal opinions are not going to affect his decisions.

Words are cheap, I don't think it's at all unreasonable to think that some employees might not feel that way or trust him to back up those words with real actions.

> And I'm sure he can believe in whatever he wants - in Christ, Flat Earth and Aliens if he wants.

They sure can and I can choose who I work for. If someone thinks I don't deserve the right to get married (again, people want to gloss over this but he didn't /think/ that, he /thinks/ that) then it's not crazy that I might not want them as my boss and especially at a place like Mozilla that prides themselves on openness and inclusivity. Unlike most companies the employees at Mozilla did feel compelled and safe enough to speak out against their CEO, that doesn't fly at many companies. At a smaller company I worked at I had no protection to call out the president who would always lead the company in prayer before we had a meal even though I'm not religious. I personally think it's encouraging that many gay (and straight) employees did take a stand on this issue.

> As outsider it looks like in recent years the most vocal shaming is not of gay or fat but shaming of whoever does not participate in shaming. I really hope that these are not true representatives of LGBT community.

Then you haven't been looking and your outsiderness shows. Not all of us live in CA and not all of us are protected by labor laws where we do live. I've seen first hand fat shaming and heard plenty of language/jokes/etc that warned me that coming out would be extremely detrimental to my ability to progress and even do my job at some companies. If you truly believe that the backlash to people who are homophobes is worse than the effects of their homophobia then I encourage you reevaluate that stance. Also I'm not sure what you mean by "shaming of whoever does not participate in shaming", the "shaming" was aimed at the person who supported not allowing gay people to marry and the people who defended someone who supported not allowing gay people. You are describing it as if people were mad at other people for not calling Eich out, no, they were mad at the people defending him.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by happyjack »

eh8 wrote: post #823
happyjack wrote: post #815

This is my 2 cents on the Mozilla situation: Mozilla need to stop sucking at google's teet. I know this is much easier said than done. At some point, the value proposition to google is not going to be that great since they already own the browser market. Not sure about you all, but I use Firefox. I use computers daily and immediately change my search engine to DDG once I have a fresh install. They need to go after co…

People adhere to their browsers pretty well. I wouldn't change my browser at home just because I use it at work unless I wanted to synchronize my Mozilla/Google account across both computers (and this is often prohibited on enterprise licensed FF/Chrome). Moreover, many companies make use of GSuite to handle email or collaboration tasks. If you already pay for such features, then it makes sense to follow through the…

A TON of companies use GSuite, and that would be pointless to use a different browser if you already bought into that.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by pseudalopex »

dx87 wrote: post #707
roca wrote: post #698

This article has many problems. One of the main problems is that the immediate reason for Firefox losing market share is totally outside the control of the CEO or anyone else at Mozilla: Google pouring billions into Chrome, both actual billions of dollars and similar resources "in kind", like free advertising on the world's most popular Web properties (i.e. Google's). The best CEO in the world can't magically come up…

> Finding an alternative source for revenue like that is just really incredibly hard. Mozilla's been trying for a long time. What alternate revenue sources have they tried? Outside of their recent VPN offering, I haven't seen anything that they've tried to monetize. They didn't even try and monetize Firefox Send, even though the developers had a monetization strategy from the start.

Pocket. Sponsored tiles. The Mr. Robot debacle.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by bananaface »

bawolff wrote: post #163

Another way to look at it: mozilla is a sinking ship. Being a CEO of a shinking ship looks bad on the resume and is high risk for the ceo (reputation wise). High risk jobs should get higher compensation than low risk jobs. I'd certainly argue that for a normal company. For mozilla though, there is a question of why do you even need a CEO? Does Linux have a CEO? I suspect at least some of mozilla's problems is trying…

I think it would be a lot more fun if CEOs had to show an actual offer from a competitor in order to invoke the "I need to be payed this much to stay" argument.
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