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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by joshstrange » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 3:56 PM UTC

sam_goody wrote: post #564

They had a GREAT CEO. Brendan Eich. He not only was heavily involved with destroying IE's monopoly, he was able to start Brave in a punishing market (competing against Google, Apple, and his own FF) and made it a contender. But, he wasn't woke enough. And for that, everyone will now pay dearly. I daresay, learning that someone else is entitled to a competing view is difficult. Allowing others to have a view other tha…

> Mr. Eich once gave $1K to a cause that was anti-gay.

And $2.1K to a prop 8 supporter [0]

> He backtracked and apologized but was cancelled anyways.

This is lie and you are re-writing history. I can find no such statement from him. In fact all he said was he wanted to "express my sorrow at having caused pain" [1], the classic "I'm sorry your were offended by that" non-apology. He has never stated that his support of Prop 8 was wrong, he side-stepped the whole thing expecting us not to notice.

> It will eventually come back to kill those that think you are not allowed to marry your mother, and probably, eventually, to those that think you are allowed to be religious

What the... no seriously, what the heck? You can believe whatever you want to believe but you don't get to push your religious values onto others which is exactly what Prop 8 did. Please cut out the BS that this is somehow going to lead to outlawing religion.

[0] https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/new-m...

[1] https://brendaneich.com/2014/03/inclusiveness-at-mozilla/

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by djsumdog » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 3:57 PM UTC

jacquesm wrote: post #526

gadders wrote: post #495

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I realise some people didn't agree with his politics, but I wonder what the trajectory of the company would have been under Brendan Eich.

I think the big problem is that Mozilla/FireFox receiving money from Google served essentially as a bribe that allowed Google to pull a bunch of anti-competitive behavior that cost FF marketshare. If not for that we could have easily seen a repeat of Netscape vs Microsoft, but it is hard to consciously decide to bite the hand that feeds you, especially when it is connected to the proverbial 800 lbs gorilla. I suspect…

The first year of Chrome's release, I absolutely hated it, not because of the browser itself, but because it felt like a shot to the gut of Firefox and open source development in general.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by sk2020 » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 3:58 PM UTC

rvz wrote: post #111

Jonnax wrote: post #13

There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

> Isn't that pretty much admitting that they're on a sinking ship? Yes. They are admitting they are solely reliant on Google's money. Given that Google Chrome is a direct competitor to Firefox and has gained more market share, Google can justify to either reduce spend or stop paying for being the default search engine in Firefox due to its shrinking market share and instead pay more for Apple Safari as the default in…

Firefox isn't a direct competitor to Chrome. It's Google's hedge against an anti-trust lawsuit.

When you see Mozilla as a Big Tech trust-fund baby struggling with cognitive dissonance, then their behavior makes sense.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by joshstrange » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 3:59 PM UTC

djsumdog wrote: post #748

latexmex wrote: post #737

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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> Brendan Eich's homophobia All we know is that Eich supported one political movement with money. Show me where he has come put publicly as fearing homosexuals. We are in a dangerous world of viewpoint discrimination. A belief on a particular moral or political issue does not represent the totality of an individual. We all disagree on things; some of us on things we consider core unalienable rights and values. But at…

> All we know is that Eich supported one political movement with money.

He supported at least 2, Prop 8 directly and a politician who opposed Prop 8.

> A belief on a particular moral or political issue does not represent the totality of an individual.

Ahh, ok, so it's perfectly fine to believe that gays should not be allowed to marry while leading a company such as Mozilla?

> We all disagree on things; some of us on things we consider core unalienable rights and values. But at the end of the day, we are also all human beings.

Sorry, no, you don't just get to "disagree" on if I should exist or have rights such as being able to get married.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by sadfev » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 4:01 PM UTC

Jonnax wrote: post #13

There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

Ooo boo hoo, oh poor multimillionaire execs how can they live on 500k per year!!

Oh heaves their family!

Exec Compensation should be linked to performance not to garbage like market value.

Fuck Mozilla and its execs

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by nec4b » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 4:01 PM UTC

latexmex wrote: post #737

sam_goody wrote: post #564

They had a GREAT CEO. Brendan Eich. He not only was heavily involved with destroying IE's monopoly, he was able to start Brave in a punishing market (competing against Google, Apple, and his own FF) and made it a contender. But, he wasn't woke enough. And for that, everyone will now pay dearly. I daresay, learning that someone else is entitled to a competing view is difficult. Allowing others to have a view other tha…

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Being against gay marriage makes you a homophobe as much as being against minors voting makes you a pedophobe.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by kzrdude » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 4:03 PM UTC

sadfev wrote: post #765

Jonnax wrote: post #13

There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

Ooo boo hoo, oh poor multimillionaire execs how can they live on 500k per year!! Oh heaves their family! Exec Compensation should be linked to performance not to garbage like market value. Fuck Mozilla and its execs

Should be tied to the other salaries in the company. For example capped at 10x the lowest paid employee.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by mattl » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 4:06 PM UTC

coryfklein wrote: post #747

mattl wrote: post #735

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He was the CEO for 11 days, I don't think we can say he was a great CEO of Mozilla.

For context: > Brendan Eich is [the] creator of the JavaScript programming language. He co-founded the Mozilla project, the Mozilla Foundation and the Mozilla Corporation, and served as the Mozilla Corporation's chief technical officer and briefly, as its chief executive officer. [1] Yes he was only CEO for 11 days, but he literally co-founded Mozilla so it's not like he was only around for a couple weeks. [1] https:…

I can only imagine the number of homophobes he could have funded with the salaries they pay execs at Mozilla now.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by joshstrange » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 4:09 PM UTC

nec4b wrote: post #766

latexmex wrote: post #737

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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Being against gay marriage makes you a homophobe as much as being against minors voting makes you a pedophobe.

> Being against gay marriage makes you a homophobe as much as being against minors voting makes you a pedophobe. - nec4b

Except it 100% does not and your statement makes absolutely no sense. One is a right you taking away from a group of people you don't agree with and the other doesn't even follow. What? Being against letting minors vote somehow makes you /not/ want to have sex with children? What is that even suppose to mean other than to be an age-old dog-whistle trying to tie homosexuality to pedophilia?

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by GuB-42 » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 4:12 PM UTC

Jonnax wrote: post #13

There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

The reason CEOs are paid well is because they have an important and risky job. And if they bring success by their actions, they totally deserve their millions.

But if the company/organization is doing poorly, the CEO doesn't deserve the high pay. And having the pay reduced, or even not being paid at all for a time if it can help the company is one of the risks CEO should be able to take. It is not unfair for their families if they planned for it in advance instead of taking their high pay for granted. You can save a lot when you are being paid millions.