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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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I read an article about executive directors salaries at non-profits, and the gist of it was that good executive directors are expensive because they bring more money into the org; would you rather 90% of $1m go towards your cause, or 50% of $10m?

This doesn't seem to be the case with Mozilla, though. They somehow have the worst of both worlds: inflated executive salaries and a loss in revenue.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

The claim was not that they can't reduce but that an 80% discount was too much to ask of people (and thus also their families). I don't think anyone at any pay level would be happy being paid 20% of similar roles. Perhaps the problem was putting people in these roles in the first place that would accept 20% of market rate. Raising their pay subsequently doesn't make them better at their job! The quote is not really c…

> . I don't think anyone at any pay level would be happy being paid 20% of similar roles.

First, an 80% discount would still leave the CEO on a very comfortable salary. They're not going to have to dumpster-dive for dinner.

Second, what about doing the job on principle? Plenty of people volunteer their time to good causes for no money whatsoever.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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> Brendan Eich's homophobia All we know is that Eich supported one political movement with money. Show me where he has come put publicly as fearing homosexuals. We are in a dangerous world of viewpoint discrimination. A belief on a particular moral or political issue does not represent the totality of an individual. We all disagree on things; some of us on things we consider core unalienable rights and values. But at…

how me where he has come put publicly as fearing homosexuals.

He hasn't. But he has come out publicly as supporting a campaign which literally called gays "pedophiles" and "sex offenders" in billboard and televised campaign ads.

And Eich made his donation after the Prop 8 campaign started running those ads.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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> Brendan Eich's homophobia All we know is that Eich supported one political movement with money. Show me where he has come put publicly as fearing homosexuals. We are in a dangerous world of viewpoint discrimination. A belief on a particular moral or political issue does not represent the totality of an individual. We all disagree on things; some of us on things we consider core unalienable rights and values. But at…

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

Mozilla has been sinking for a long time and they have been scrambling to hold on.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Mozilla Inc is not a non-profit. The parent organization is.

How is it possible that non-profitness does not inherit to a child company? Seems like a conflict of interest.

Non-profits can have business activities that support their non-profit mission, and many of those business activities are subject to income tax.

So many non-profits split out the profit-making activities into a separate (for-profit) company so that they can keep non-profit financial streams separate from the for-profit ones.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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The problem is that we have the person who arguably most understands the domain of web browsers, online privacy, and all the legal and ethical aspect thereof, working on another Chromium-based browser. I do not need to elaborate on why a diverse browser ecosystem is important, there are enough threads on that already. Mozilla had this jewel, exactly what it needed to succeed and make the web a better place. He was at…

Sorry, but you're not going to paint Eich as a victim over what is a totally self inflicted wound. And there is no argument from utility to be made here either along the lines of 'oh Eich may be a bigot, but look at that nice browser he gave us'. He has to work with the people around him and that scenario would have likely not panned out. Instead, a large chunk of Mozilla/FireFox' employees may have walked if he had…

My understanding is that Mozilla employees protesting his politics were not actually planning to walk and were disappointed and a little embarrassed that he left. They just wanted some sort of apology.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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I'd pay hansomely for Firefox but only if the funds go into development, not into fat cats wallets. I'd also pay to remove junk like Pocket, or rather I'd consider paying for Pocket as a separate service. It irks me that it's forced into my browser. I want to be free of Google. This includes Chromium which has too much of Google included. Mozilla is the last hope of a free (as in speech) internet. On iOS Apple have e…

> I'd pay hansomely for Firefox but only if the funds go into development, Send money to people on the SCM commit history.

Interesting idea, but who and how?

Let's say I want to sponsor the Servo project because I believe it's something the world needs. There's no obvious way to financially contribute to the project or to individuals other than randomly sending cash to them via PayPal using their listed email addresses on GitHub.

Ditto Firefox, but the source is in mozilla-central, so I'd have to work out how to deal with Mercurial to get the names/addresses. Another step, another barrier.

I'd also have to figure out who deserves reward, and that's not a minor task either. Then I'd have to repeat this X times for each person that should get paid, then repeat every month. It needs to be centralised to make it easy for the sponsorship.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Power dictates pay.

CEOs prior to being hired have little direct power - their power comes from low supply of qualified candidates and they can negotiate extremely favorable terms. If everyone could be CEO like anyone could be a laborer, they would not get paid well.

> their power comes from low supply of qualified candidates

When they fail, were they among the pool of qualified candidates, or is their qualification determined by whether they get hired for the job? In other words: are they highly qualified at working as a CEO, or is their specialization in getting hired as a CEO/looking like they'd be highly qualified in the actual work?

I recall a study a few years back that found that CEOs did not appear to have a large impact with regards to company success. We're looking at successes and attribute it to the CEO, but when a company fails, there are a million things they had no control over so it's not fair to attribute the failure to them.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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What does Pocket do? And how is it different from synchronizing favorites/tab between two browsers?

Pocket is like a mix between Bookmarks and a TODO list. I don't bookmark random articles I want to read later. I add them to Pocket.

So functionally there is no difference? It’s just a user perception thing?
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