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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by hacker_newz »

srtjstjsj wrote: post #592
ahelwer wrote: post #480

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I don't know, man. It's easy to get all abstract with phrases like "support a cause" but we live in a concrete world. Mozilla employs a lot of gay people. Prop 8 was viciously homophobic, both in concept and especially in execution of its campaign. How would you feel going to work knowing your boss's boss thinks you don't deserve rights?

Better then not going to work because the CEO chosen for her politically correct identity destroyed the organizer. Mozilla employees did NOT support the firing of Eich. Don't use them as human shields for your assault on civility.

Facts beg to differ: https://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/03/mozil...

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by jansan »

slightwinder wrote: post #385
jansan wrote: post #292

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And why should anyone contribute to an open source project of a for-profit company without being compensated?

non-profitness does not mean no pay. Just that the payment is moderate and not profit-orientated.

I mean contributing as an outsider. I really have a problem contributing to open source projects of a company where I get the feeling that the upper management is simply filling its pockets.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by roca »

toyg wrote: post #406
IlIlI wrote: post #250

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The basic idea of Firefox OS was actually great, they just didn't quite get the market right. Kai OS is a very successful fork which runs on feature phones.

Kai OS is fundamentally irrelevant though, in the great scheme of things. Mozilla can do billions of irrelevant but self-sustainable projects; that’s not the point. The point of Mozilla is to move the needle in the web ecosystem at large. It was clear from the start that Mozilla did not have enough to move the needle in the mobile market all by itself. FFOS was a massive waste of time, effort, and money, that even re…

KaiOS shipped 100M units by May 2019, no idea what the number is now but it's much higher. Not quite "fundamentally irrelevant".

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by stevehawk »

TedDoesntTalk wrote: post #675
stevehawk wrote: post #604

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I'd say the answer to that is the same reason why there was a front page article the other day about which was more important: revenue stream or culture. Comments almost made it feel like people would gladly ride a company to the grave so long as they could feel good about what they haven't accomplished (making money).

I missed that article. Do you have a link? I’d like to read the comments.

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24543510

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by jansan »

thundergolfer wrote: post #580
lma21 wrote: post #443

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I haven't. Why is it relevant?

The pigs that separate themselves in status from the rest of the farm animals horde more resources for themselves even in the face of worsening conditions on the farm (their grain windmill gets destroyed at some point). The pigs serve as placeholders for Stalinists, but the general dynamic exists in any political situation that accepts inequality, like corporate capitalism in the case of Mozilla.

That is a very nice summary, much better than I could have written it.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by [deleted] »

jeltz wrote: post #513
culturestate wrote: post #322

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> It is a problem that she is both on the board and CEO, which effectively makes her impossible to hold to account Is this really a problem? The CEO is often a director, and even as chairwoman I doubt anything in the bylaws prevents the board at large from removing her if they wanted to. Instead, it seems like the board itself is the issue, since they allowed Mozilla to stray so far from its core mission.

Is that common in the US? Because here in Sweden it is regarded as bad practice for medium sized companies and up. The CEO is almost never part of the board here except for in tiny companies.

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Post by dx87 »

roca wrote: post #698

This article has many problems. One of the main problems is that the immediate reason for Firefox losing market share is totally outside the control of the CEO or anyone else at Mozilla: Google pouring billions into Chrome, both actual billions of dollars and similar resources "in kind", like free advertising on the world's most popular Web properties (i.e. Google's). The best CEO in the world can't magically come up…

> Finding an alternative source for revenue like that is just really incredibly hard. Mozilla's been trying for a long time.

What alternate revenue sources have they tried? Outside of their recent VPN offering, I haven't seen anything that they've tried to monetize. They didn't even try and monetize Firefox Send, even though the developers had a monetization strategy from the start.

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Post by rayuela »

dsschnau wrote: post #699
roca wrote: post #698

This article has many problems. One of the main problems is that the immediate reason for Firefox losing market share is totally outside the control of the CEO or anyone else at Mozilla: Google pouring billions into Chrome, both actual billions of dollars and similar resources "in kind", like free advertising on the world's most popular Web properties (i.e. Google's). The best CEO in the world can't magically come up…

>The best CEO in the world can't magically come up with a strategy to counter that. The fuck is the CEO getting paid for, theN?

Well as another comment points out, they're being paid so generously in order to be fair to the CEO's family.

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Post by SquishyPanda23 »

Jonnax wrote: post #13

There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

> they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid.

I also suspect Firefox engineers are underpaid relative to Google SWEs working on Chrome.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by ntsplnkv2 »

jjoonathan wrote: post #615
ntsplnkv2 wrote: post #610

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Supply and demand dictates pay. People who rise to become CEOs are not going to take bad contracts.

Power dictates pay.

CEOs prior to being hired have little direct power - their power comes from low supply of qualified candidates and they can negotiate extremely favorable terms.

If everyone could be CEO like anyone could be a laborer, they would not get paid well.

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