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How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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GP was not trying to be racist, such a concept does exist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-context_and_low-context_c...

What led you to the racist angle?

Because GP was discussing a socially sensitive topic, but the other person asked for an explanation about an easily googleable concept. This is intentional noodle-braining, explanation on reddit: https://old.reddit.com/r/TwoXChromosomes/comments/ixp19i/did...

Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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Do you consider spreading to other more vulnerable people as a bad COVID outcome?

GP comment says "for someone living alone" which I would consider an answer to your question.

That death and total recovery are the only possible outcomes is also an assumption.

Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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No means a lot more than “no” most of the time. My mom was Jehovah’s Witness, so I was raised always to take care of “the appearances”, always being polite, even when you disagree. When I moved to the US back in 2000, I “discovered” people have freedom to think and say whatever they want (kind of) and it was OK to dissent. The pendulum went the other way, and I became a big fan of Bill Maher and the “it’s OK to be po…

Same. My problem isn't finding the will or the ability to say no, it's figuring out when it's acceptable to say no. I've said no too many times and had absolutely each and every person (including people whose opinions I valued) who's analyzed the interaction come back with, "wow, you were being a real jerk saying no in that instance." I've come very close to losing jobs for saying no to the wrong person at the wrong time - if I didn't have an in-demand skillset that was hard to replace, I would almost definitely have found myself unemployed sporadically over the years. I've finally come around to accept that I'm far enough into the autism spectrum not to be able to figure out when I'm in the right, so I usually say yes because it's the least dangerous option.

Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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This is one of the main reasons why I prefer living in big cities. Compared to other places I've stayed, it makes it a whole lot easier to build and maintain human connections with people whose preferences and interests overlap with mine. I also do plenty of activities I'm not really interested in for the sake of socializing. But always just adopting to whatever is most popular at a given time would be soulcrushing t…

> This is one of the main reasons why I prefer living in big cities. Big Cities also amplify loneliness and make it more crushing when you just keep getting lost in the crowd. Concrete jungles with more traffic than trees are also a depressing drain upon the soul. My ideal sweet spot is Small Towns near a Big City that you can dip into once every weekend or so.

I don’t know about that being such an absolute. Personally, I feel pretty connected with people just being around them even if we aren’t interacting directly with one another.

It’s also fairly easy when living in a big city to know your neighborhood well enough that if you don’t want to be alone you can expect to run into one or two of a certain few people at different locations.

Like I know of I got to x,y,z coffee shop I can run into acquaintances of set X, Y, Z. If I want to grab a night cap at bar a,b,c I am run in to set A, B, C. And if I just want to be alone I can just wave and say hi.

Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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post #106

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This is one of the main reasons why I prefer living in big cities. Compared to other places I've stayed, it makes it a whole lot easier to build and maintain human connections with people whose preferences and interests overlap with mine. I also do plenty of activities I'm not really interested in for the sake of socializing. But always just adopting to whatever is most popular at a given time would be soulcrushing t…

I have the excact opposite experience. The closer you live, the more people protect their privacy sphere around them and more often avoid real connections with people they run into, like neighbors. After we moved from living close in the city to outside the city limits, with way more space around us, we went from "hello" when meeting a neighbor to now stopping up and talking for real and taking a real interest in eac…

That's funny. I grew up in a tiny town, and the gossipy busybodies just disgusted me. I literally heard a rumor about a family member before I heard the actual story from them once.

Panty-sniffing busybodies with nothing to do but mind other peoples' business are a major reason I've lived in cities since I had the option.

Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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Great comment. I would add that this ties in with goal setting, which is an activity where you set the priorities for your life. If it's fitness for example you will skip the drinks and go to the gym instead. If it's money you will work on your business and so forth. You decided it's social connections, but it will be different for everyone. It's important to sit down and decide what we want out of life, imho.

>It's important to sit down and decide what we want out of life I always get my hair up with this kind of statement. How do your goals look? Because the only goals I have are: a) not be homeless, b) not have my family die, and c) figure out how to have someone give me ten million dollars so I can stop coming to work. People who have specific, 'work-ish' goals in their personal lives sort of weird me out. I don't know…

Not the OP, but I tend to react this way, too. I get a mental picture of a 12 year old planning out their stepping-stone Senate campaign in exactly 23 years...

But (unless monomania happens to work for you) that's not it at all. It is just the idea that having some sort of goal helps provide some mental priors you bring to every-day decision making.

As an example, I have no issues to speak of with my body and eat pretty healthily by default. So I don't pay attention to what I eat, but I do try to not spend a ton of money on it, because I do have financial goals.

Goals don't need to be some complicated 5 Year Plan or whatever. For me, they just end up being something in the back of my mind, a North Star for small-scale decisions.

Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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That isn't a good summary of the bill, and it didn't even mention preferred pronouns. What it actually did was add "gender identity or expression" to a list of protected characteristics to be considered when prosecuting hate speech and as a factor in criminal sentencing. (Peterson's interpretation was that it would have the effect of making misgendering or failure to use preferred pronouns into hate speech, thus that…

Is he a lawyer? I'd be curious to know if this is a valid legal opinion or fear-mongering.

Haha of course he isn't. Trained as a clinical psychologist.

Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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> Lue says the soft no should be only about three sentences long. A common mistake, she says, is giving too much of an explanation or being over-apologetic.

I used to over-explain in these situations. The advice that finally changed my behavior was this: only explain yourself if you're willing to negotiate, if new information might actually change your answer. Otherwise, the reason is usually irrelevant, and you only open yourself up to a discussion.

Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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The point is that he didn't even say anything and you jumped down his throat. Imagine if he had.

He did say something, he said that it bothers him to have to shape the way he speaks to other people so that they are not offended. And what exactly is weird about that? Sounds like life to me. And that he misunderstands free speech which is about the government not being able to imprison you or legally punish you for speech.

Free speech is a philosophical concept, it happens to be enshrined in law in the 1st Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America to prevent the government for imprisoning you for your speech, but it is first and foremost the philosophical concept, not the law. That concept used to be part of the social mores of the United States and much of the Western world, it isn't really any longer as your own commentary here demonstrates.

The social mores have shifted, and while you may not be imprisoned, real tangible consequences (which are arguably unfair and inappropriate) can occur for trying to have a real meaningful conversation with someone based on your own honest beliefs. You are arguing essentially that those consequences are not only acceptable, but laudable, because you see it as "just desserts". Trying to distract from the serious philosophical issue by hyperfocusing on the legal non-issue is a common tactic of people who endorse bullying and "cancel culture" tactics to suppress other's speech. Your arguments here have been subtly insulting and not in good faith, and I don't think are the way people should behave on HN, but ironically, I'm responding to you in good faith because I fully support (philosophically) your right to say those things and you are acting within the rules.

Re: How to say no, for the people pleaser who always says yes

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Interesting. Could you give an example of rephrasing and being tricky/evasive?

My wife is a fine example: Problem: coffee machine not working. Her representation of the problem: we need to buy a new coffee machine. Really what’s going on: coffee machine needs cleaning properly but it doesn’t match the rest of the stuff in the kitchen now. Edit: I'm sure this analogy probably works better for the folk downvoting when you look at it in terms of computation. Perhaps I should have write "the develo…

The real issue is that your wife is in control of the kitchen, if she wants to buy a new machine that looks nicer, she is the boss and you shouldn't be arguing. :)
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