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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by matthewmacleod »

CodeGlitch wrote: post #204
stale2002 wrote: post #181

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> someone who is well versed in technology instead of in law. Well, this person already existed. It was Brendan Eich.

Yeah but he wasn't woke enough so they got rid of a capable CEO. "Get woke go broke" Mozilla. Sorry if I sound bitter, but I love Firefox and hate to see it loosing users.

This is an extraordinarily easy view to take from a position where your boss isn't proudly making an effort to try and prevent you from gaining access to certain rights.

I reckon if everybody who felt like chipping in with their lazy armchair analysis of "SJW mobs ruining Firefox" instead spent their time fixing a bug or two, then maybe they'd be happier with the state of the browser they claim to love so much.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by DarkWiiPlayer »

fsflover wrote: post #340
DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #210

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but their ideas haven't worked. What ideas though?

For example: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24515063

That's not a new idea whatsoever. I'm not gonna use a browser because the team behind it built a cheap mega clone.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by donatj »

nix23 wrote: post #334

Hey Microsoft, i have a Idea: Buy Mozilla, fire all the CEO/Staff, bring all the lost Devs back and let them work on the Browser and Rust (and just that), if anything happens with the Chromium development you have your own second browser at hand...and by that way rust itself.

I feel like the antitrust case of 2001 probably has them shying away from acquiring Mozilla, given that Mozilla née Netscape was one of the major bringers of the complaints.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by hnarn »

drenvuk wrote: post #15

Shit like this pisses me off. I care for Firefox and the team behind it but how do you get rid of these vampires sucking the company dry? You've got executive pay going up, usage going down. Pivotal leaders being ousted, good workers being released, good features being removed and shit features being added. It's like managers and executives somehow dig their bureaucratic teeth into a successful company/project and th…

The tale is as old as time, something starts out as open source, gets popular, gets bought and is drained by the "corporate vampires" you're alluding to, either through acquisition or other means.

The only silver lining here compared to any other type of software, is that legally, this software can never be anything but open source -- so we are all free to fork and attempt to do a better job, and make a valiant try in not repeating history.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by zgiber »

bawolff wrote: post #163

Another way to look at it: mozilla is a sinking ship. Being a CEO of a shinking ship looks bad on the resume and is high risk for the ceo (reputation wise). High risk jobs should get higher compensation than low risk jobs. I'd certainly argue that for a normal company. For mozilla though, there is a question of why do you even need a CEO? Does Linux have a CEO? I suspect at least some of mozilla's problems is trying…

Or maybe, just maybe, it is way simpler.. How big is the temptation for a person just before retirement on a 'sinking ship' to stuff their pockets while possible?

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by tommica »

I find it curious how much there has been news bashing on mozilla lately...

Anyways, I'm a happy firefox user, their PiP feature is great and the fix they finally did for rendering on macs made it possible for me to use it without it eating my battery. I'm happy there is an alternative to chrome, it hopefully keeps the ecosystem a bit healthier

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by smt88 »

redavni wrote: post #317
jacquesm wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> t wasn't long ago that comments were shouting that this was the absolute most qualified person to lead Mozilla when others were questioning having a lawyer lead a tech company. I don't think you'll be able to attribute that quote to me. Eich fucked up, and should have realized that you can't be leading a flagship of diversity on the one hand and be a bigot on the other. But he resigned (he wasn't forced out, though…

It was this event that actually led me to stop caring about Firefox and allow myself to default to Chrome, and I downloaded Phoenix from Blake's blog the day he posted it. The root of Firefox's problems start with San Francisco. It's inflated salaries and political sideshow have caused an existential threat to Mozilla.

If your opposition to gay marriage was enough to get you to throw away the benefits of Firefox, I think you're not necessarily the target market that Firefox evangelists are.

None of the code of the browser changed when Eich resigned. It still had the same pros/cons, didn't it?

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by eloisant »

Jonnax wrote: post #13

There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

> There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families.

Yes I read that too, I couldn't believe it.

She can decide to work for a non-profit, work for the good of the Internet and its users. Accept to earn 500k, which put her well in the top 5% earners and let her and her family live a comfortable life even in Silicon Valley.

Or she can go work as an exec for Google/Apple/Facebook, accept that she's just working for a group of people against others, and be aware she'll be actively doing harm to people's privacy and freedom, but rake in a multi-million dollar salary every year.

I'm sure there are plenty of skilled and talented people who would be happy to work as an exec for Mozilla for the meager salary of 500k.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by fsflover »

lightgreen wrote: post #177
nottorp wrote: post #25

Pretty sad because it is the only privacy oriented browser left. Safari has dropped support for any privacy oriented extensions, and while Chrome might support them, everything you do with it goes through Google anyway. That while Firefox can run uBlock Origin, has the Facebook container built in and you can even install a 3rd party Google container.

Brave (which is led by Br. E. who was fired from Mozilla) is privacy oriented.

No, it's not: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23442027
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