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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by renewiltord »

sangnoir wrote: post #286
jacquesm wrote: post #243

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> t wasn't long ago that comments were shouting that this was the absolute most qualified person to lead Mozilla when others were questioning having a lawyer lead a tech company. I don't think you'll be able to attribute that quote to me. Eich fucked up, and should have realized that you can't be leading a flagship of diversity on the one hand and be a bigot on the other. But he resigned (he wasn't forced out, though…

> I don't think you'll be able to attribute that quote to me. Eich fucked up, and should have realized that you can't be leading a flagship of diversity on the one hand and be a bigot on the other. I have a problem with characterizing Brendan Eich as a bigot for donating to a non-fringe political group. IIRC, the proposition campaign he donated to had close to a 50/50 split in support for/against. Eich's ouster cryst…

Why does the vote percentage matter? 43% of Germans voted for the NSDAP. Doesn't absolve them of their bigotry.

If 100% of Americans voted that way that would just make all of them bigoted.

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Post by lumberingjack »

The entire company is lost the moment they started diversity hiring they have engineers that have no clue what they're doing tweeting about being badasses moving up the high Life ladder. Just take a look at some of the Firefox team"leaders"Twitter clearly culture problems there.

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Post by antonyh »

baud147258 wrote: post #179
flatfilefan wrote: post #43

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On the contrary I kinda see the point in the pocket and send to bridge the gap between desktop and mobile for the users that own both. But the small brainless degradations of the UI in Firefox make me worry about its future. For example it’s not possible to permanently add exclusions to the privacy shield. Because of it the sites are often broken. And this is a feature that is directly user facing on the main screen!

What does Pocket do? And how is it different from synchronizing favorites/tab between two browsers?

Formerly known as "Read It Later", it's a reading list service. You save pages for later reference. There's subscriptions to unlock features.

I loved RIL but Pocket is but a shadow of what it once was.

Similar to Evernote web clips, or Instapaper. I now use OneNote instead with the webclipper plugin, mostly because it puts the clips in a place where I can also add my own notes.

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Post by te_chris »

kovac wrote: post #275

Can't speak for others but I stopped using Firefox for the following reasons, pretty much in the order of priority. 1. When I learnt about the corporate structure at Mozilla. I simply don't drust any large corporation with matters related to privacy. 2. What happened with Brendan Eich. That just wasn't cool. What someone does in his personal time is non of my business. Virtue signalling of any sort, to me, is a hallm…

He donated money to a political cause directly against some of his employees, got called out on it and refused to compromise. I'm sure those are admirable characteristics in some situations, as the CEO of an organisation like Mozilla they're suicidal. He doesn't seem to get that even to this day, based on some tweets linked to in this chat and in the article.

"Don't be an asshole" is a pretty good philosophy if you're going to be a ceo of an org like mozilla, and donating to an organisation which seeks to deprive a subset of your employees of their rights then refusing to compromise on it sounds pretty assholic to me. I know in the US it's all unlimited free speech, "but I have conservative views" etc etc, but that has real consequences in the same way that going up to a homosexual person in the street and telling them that you don't think they should be allowed to get married would have consequences - maybe they punch you, maybe they shrink off and feel terrible.

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Post by coldtea »

Jonnax wrote: post #13

There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

>There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem.

Yes. The exec team and CEO.

They should be ousted.

"Unfair to their families"? What BS, what about the families of the laid-off?

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Post by redavni »

jacquesm wrote: post #243
fiblye wrote: post #226

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It wasn't long ago that comments were shouting that this was the absolute most qualified person to lead Mozilla when others were questioning having a lawyer lead a tech company. Someone with at least a little hands-on experience in building a product really should be something companies look for in leadership. I mean, sure, Baker's done plenty for Mozilla, but Mozilla has been absolutely lost as to what they're tryin…

> t wasn't long ago that comments were shouting that this was the absolute most qualified person to lead Mozilla when others were questioning having a lawyer lead a tech company. I don't think you'll be able to attribute that quote to me. Eich fucked up, and should have realized that you can't be leading a flagship of diversity on the one hand and be a bigot on the other. But he resigned (he wasn't forced out, though…

It was this event that actually led me to stop caring about Firefox and allow myself to default to Chrome, and I downloaded Phoenix from Blake's blog the day he posted it.

The root of Firefox's problems start with San Francisco. It's inflated salaries and political sideshow have caused an existential threat to Mozilla.

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Post by pjmlp »

bawolff wrote: post #163

Another way to look at it: mozilla is a sinking ship. Being a CEO of a shinking ship looks bad on the resume and is high risk for the ceo (reputation wise). High risk jobs should get higher compensation than low risk jobs. I'd certainly argue that for a normal company. For mozilla though, there is a question of why do you even need a CEO? Does Linux have a CEO? I suspect at least some of mozilla's problems is trying…

> Does Linux have a CEO?

https://www.linuxfoundation.org/about/leadership/

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

lordgrenville wrote: post #289
akerro wrote: post #238

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> There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. afair AMD CEO is paid 4x less than Mozilla CEO.

That is shocking if true, but doesn't seem to be? AMD's Lisa Su was the highest-paid CEO of a company in the S&P 500 last year. Su earned a total of $58.5 million in 2019 [0] Mitchell Baker, Mozilla's top executive, was paid $2.4m in 2018 [1] [0] https://edition.cnn.com/2020/06/01/tech/lisa-su-amd-highest-... [1] http://calpaterson.com/mozilla.html

From your first article: "In 2019, she earned $1 million in base salary and a $1.2 million performance-based bonus.".

So not 4x, but 2x based on base salary.

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Post by MaxBarraclough »

josalhor wrote: post #258
DarkWiiPlayer wrote: post #208

My opinion for the last few years has been that firefox is a total shitshow. There's no innovation in usability whatsoever. All it does is open websites and if you want anything fancy beyond that you'll have to get an extension. Chrome already does this and markets itself as just doing it better while firefox kinda just passively takes it. Normal users don't read nerdy tech blogs explaining why the latest under-the-h…

I think Gecko doesn't have a chance. I totally believe trying to fight this fact is crying over spilled milk. Microsoft tried. They tried not to lose ground with IE 9. Then again with IE 10. Then with IE 11. Then with Edge. If Microsoft couldn't win and had to accept Blink, Mozilla can't compete. In its current form, Firefox can’t win. And this critique comes from someone who’s main browser is Firefox. Mozilla can’t…

> From a performance standpoint, Firefox is not better.

Neither is it worse. Firefox is faster at some problems, Chromium is faster at some others. I don't agree that Gecko/SpiderMonkey are doomed, and they certainly aren't doomed on the grounds of performance.

https://arewefastyet.com/

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