As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by tarsinge » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 6:45 AM UTC

Reedx wrote: post #90

manigandham wrote: post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you instantly know the truth in every conversation? Do you argue every point or do you let the topics flow naturally? Joe Rogan is no different. He's not an interviewer but just a guy who has long conversations. That's why many guests are his close friends, and also why people are eager to be guests in the first place and talk for hours. The long-form uncritical nature is what made the show popular and gives you a…

Well said. People are so used to shows and popular voices pushing agendas that it seems they're flummoxed when one isn't doing that. Apparently under the impression that Rogan is endorsing everything his guests say and that his listeners just blindly absorb/repeat. But he isn't pushing an agenda, isn't telling you what to think, doesn't filter by ideology. He's just having conversations with people that he thinks are…

This is a false dichotomy of filtering vs non-filtering. It’s sad that we are at that point in polarization where we can’t have a discussion or debate anymore and everything has to be either labeled or unfiltered. A knowledgeable host or other guest challenging a guest about a scientific fact is not having an agenda, it’s critical thinking than can lead to a healthy discussion and it used to be interesting for listeners to make their own opinion, it’s not hand guiding. There is a large spectrum between being completely passive/complacent and confrontational/insulting/canceling.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by LifeIsThermal » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 6:54 AM UTC

greenduck wrote: post #107

Barrin92 wrote: post #6

My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…

I mentioned this elsewhere, but people on HN eat up the argument of "do your own research, make up your own mind" as an excuse for not challenging even obvious the most obvious BS. I don't know about you, but I don't have the time to do quality research of every guest he has on. Even if I did, I can't match the manpower or experience of a professional media outlet to do even basic fact checking. For stuff that isn't…

It´s your problem that you don´t evaluate the information, not Joe´s or anybody else.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by manigandham » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 6:59 AM UTC

tarsinge wrote: post #121

Reedx wrote: post #90

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well said. People are so used to shows and popular voices pushing agendas that it seems they're flummoxed when one isn't doing that. Apparently under the impression that Rogan is endorsing everything his guests say and that his listeners just blindly absorb/repeat. But he isn't pushing an agenda, isn't telling you what to think, doesn't filter by ideology. He's just having conversations with people that he thinks are…

This is a false dichotomy of filtering vs non-filtering. It’s sad that we are at that point in polarization where we can’t have a discussion or debate anymore and everything has to be either labeled or unfiltered. A knowledgeable host or other guest challenging a guest about a scientific fact is not having an agenda, it’s critical thinking than can lead to a healthy discussion and it used to be interesting for listen…

Joe Rogan is already in the middle. There are plenty of arguments and introspections where he strives to get more details and confirm the truth.

He just doesn't do it all the time with every guest and topic; but that's a side-effect of having long casual meandering conversations so people get upset when it doesn't happen with intensity they want against the content they disagree about.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by unityByFreedom » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 7:40 AM UTC

0xy wrote: post #113

Naac wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you provide sources for these statements?

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2020-02-05/who-coronavirus-updat... https://www.businessinsider.com/fauci-doesnt-regret-advising... https://twitter.com/who/status/1217043229427761152

The BI article does not say Fauci spread misinformation,

> "I don't regret anything I said then because in the context of the time in which I said it, it was correct. We were told in our task force meetings that we have a serious problem with the lack of PPEs and masks for the health providers who are putting themselves in harm's way every day to take care of sick people"

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by obscoth » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 8:30 AM UTC

manigandham wrote: post #34

Barrin92 wrote: post #6

My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…

Do you instantly know the truth in every conversation? Do you argue every point or do you let the topics flow naturally? Joe Rogan is no different. He's not an interviewer but just a guy who has long conversations. That's why many guests are his close friends, and also why people are eager to be guests in the first place and talk for hours. The long-form uncritical nature is what made the show popular and gives you a…

The mere act of having someone insane on a podcast elevates them and gives them attention. Makes them look like you could consider taking them seriously.

Most people are not capable of critical thinking. To pretend like every viewpoint should be given equal attention and people will sort it out for themselves is astonishingly naive. You must know people in real life who believe in insane conspiracy theories propagated on, for instance, facebook. When Joe Rohan hosts Alex Jones, this is the kind of thing he’s enabling.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by obscoth » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 8:32 AM UTC

dilyevsky wrote: post #9

Barrin92 wrote: post #6

My problem with Rogan isn't political in nature but with his uncritical attitude towards his guests, and his mixture of inviting respectable scientists (say, Roger Penrose, Robert Sapolsky) and then two episodes later inviting someone like Alex Jones, some complete quack or conspiracy theorists. Together with his lack of keeping the guests straight it creates a pretty toxic sludge that makes it impossible for casual…

Ymmv but for myself I prefer not to have my hand held entire life and explained “the one true way” I’m supposed to think. There’s a ton of programming out there that already does this (for your personal definition of “the one true way”)

Of course, you prefer the “alternative” which tells you actually the truth is just the opposite of what “they want you to believe” and you figured it out because you’re so smart and not afraid to offend people and go against the grain.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by spoopyskelly » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 8:54 AM UTC

stillbourne wrote: post #64

Joe Rogan espouses a mindset that is not conducive to skeptical inquiry. He will readily accept for face value anything that fits into his assimilated world view. Oftentimes those ideas are unscientific, pander to conspiratorial mindsets, and are often just down right wrong. Furthermore, he will often make his show a platform for people who are either full of shit, full of hate, or crackpots and snakeoil salesmen. I…

I wish someone would hold you accountable for your bad posting.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by raxxorrax » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 9:07 AM UTC

catmistake wrote: post #39

stolenmerch wrote: post #4

I think Joe Rogan is so popular because he openly espouses ideas that MANY people feel and believe. It almost has to be the case. Basically, I think he believes that everyone should be free to do what they want as long as they aren't hurting anyone -- unless they are trying to hurt each other in a fight, which is where the trans debate he's had is born from. It's a sort of "liberaltarian" approach that holds a lot of…

I think it is far simpler than that. He is macho, and that is popular due to evolution. The meanest monkey has the most offspring, but the meanest monkey has turned into the one no one wants to fight, so he can risk being cuddly, but it is a act. The meanest monkey is still there. FWIW Libertarianism is super trendy, but misguided, because, in a nutshell, it leads to tragedy of the commons, and ultimately, pure socia…

> He is macho, and that is popular due to evolution.

This biological essentialism is something that has become popular on both poles of the political spectrum.

Libertarianism isn't the smartest choice in my opinion, but a solid defense if discussions seem to get derailed.

Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by hobby-coder-guy » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 9:07 AM UTC

catmistake wrote: post #39

stolenmerch wrote: post #4

I think Joe Rogan is so popular because he openly espouses ideas that MANY people feel and believe. It almost has to be the case. Basically, I think he believes that everyone should be free to do what they want as long as they aren't hurting anyone -- unless they are trying to hurt each other in a fight, which is where the trans debate he's had is born from. It's a sort of "liberaltarian" approach that holds a lot of…

I think it is far simpler than that. He is macho, and that is popular due to evolution. The meanest monkey has the most offspring, but the meanest monkey has turned into the one no one wants to fight, so he can risk being cuddly, but it is a act. The meanest monkey is still there. FWIW Libertarianism is super trendy, but misguided, because, in a nutshell, it leads to tragedy of the commons, and ultimately, pure socia…

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Re: As Joe Rogan’s platform grows, so does the media and liberal backlash – why?

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Post by RedEdward71 » Wed, Sep 23, 2020, 9:09 AM UTC

Rogan is no different than Larry King or Phil Donahue. They're all talk show hosts, entertainers at best. Nothing of substance is gleaned from talk show entertainers. Besides the ways and means to fiddle with "view" numbers is well known to anyone who makes the effort to investigate it.