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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by londons_explore »

hawski wrote: post #143
LordHeini wrote: post #60

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Or maybe they where just too early. Look at the Chinese Manufacturers having trouble to deploy Android due to tech embargos. If those could just install a free os made by an indendent Organisation...

Or too late. It would not help to overcome embargoes if said independent organization is established in California.

If the code is truly opensource, it isn't embargoed.

The only issue with Android is that it isn't really opensource - users expect the Google apps, and those are closed source.

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Post by jacquesm »

fiblye wrote: post #226
jacquesm wrote: post #100

> And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. That must be a real comfort to all the people they laid off. This CEO needs to go, needs to be replaced by someone who is well versed in technology instead of in law.

It wasn't long ago that comments were shouting that this was the absolute most qualified person to lead Mozilla when others were questioning having a lawyer lead a tech company. Someone with at least a little hands-on experience in building a product really should be something companies look for in leadership. I mean, sure, Baker's done plenty for Mozilla, but Mozilla has been absolutely lost as to what they're tryin…

> t wasn't long ago that comments were shouting that this was the absolute most qualified person to lead Mozilla when others were questioning having a lawyer lead a tech company.

I don't think you'll be able to attribute that quote to me. Eich fucked up, and should have realized that you can't be leading a flagship of diversity on the one hand and be a bigot on the other. But he resigned (he wasn't forced out, though it might have come to that, contrary to various strong assertions in this comment thread, both Eich and the board are on the record about that). I can't imagine there isn't anybody to be found who is more qualified than Baker but the window of opportunity for turning this around is closing rapidly. FF usage is the only thing that keeps the whole circus alive, when that goes Mozilla will have officially failed in their mission, no matter what the balance on Baker's personal savings account.

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Post by m0zg »

throwaway_7869 wrote: post #89
manigandham wrote: post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How did you come up with that comparison? Running a standalone company from the top is very different than the responsibilities of a junior VP in a trillion-dollar organization.

And, not to mention, a VP of engineering at Google probably does make something like that amount of money (possibly more). Directors make ~800k-1m, and VP is two levels higher.

How long do they get to "make money" if they nuke their product's market share by 85%?

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Post by mattlondon »

Stupid question perhaps, but I thought Firefox was an open source project?

Why does it need a company with highly-paid executives and HR departments and all that to exist?

If Firefox/Mozilla the company goes out of business then .... nothing changes? Apart from of course a bunch of people sadly lose their full-time jobs and development speed slows dramatically as people are no longer working on it full-time and only volunteers contribute. Maybe some slick marketing goes out of the window and there are no more budgets for server farms to run Pocket (Oh no...) and other centralised servers for distractions from the main Firefox product etc, but I am sure donations will cover the cost of a few .com domain names to keep those going (I'll stump up the $20 for the first year registrar costs if they need it)

Can everything go back to normal OSS development and distribution with almost-zero overhead (host on github, distribute over torrent/dat etc) if the business fails?

Don't get me wrong: I like Firefox and use it as my main desktop & mobile browser.

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Post by LockAndLol »

Firefox needs to lose Mozilla and refocus: features, bug fixes, developer ease (simpler build, better debugging, ability to embed anywhere through modularity), and most importantly browser privacy.

Get rid of the Google support, let people donate directly to Firefox, provide corporate support contracts, integrate with everything you can like CI, phone, IOT, ...

At this point we as devs (with time) should hard fork the project.

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Post by admg »

Meh pay doesn't bother me - that's an internal problem for them. What does bother me is firefox on a mac (2018 15inch pro), it just trashes the battery life. Too many tabs open and the fans go haywire, energy usage spikes etc. My mac is at 140 cycles with approx 72% of the design capacity of the battery left, I'm convinced this is because of firefox's bad performance. Might not be but it's the biggest suspect.

I've been using firefox since the really early days and I eventually gave up on mac and started using Brave. Still use it on windows work machines or occasionally on ubuntu where it doesn't have these problems.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by saiya-jin »

martin_a wrote: post #133
scoutt wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Let's says it's the half after taxes: 1.25M. Spending 3424 a day for 365 days should get you there. You have to realize it's our fault to not understand these poor people.

Breaking it down on daily expenses really helps me understand how bad their situation is. Thanks for that! (I don't even make that much in a month (after taxes)).

You take loan for a mansion that can suck such an income dry. Or two, or 5. Add some luxury lifestyle (cars, clothing, vacations, gadgets, expensive restaurants) and you are losing money.

That excludes purely burning cash ie on drugs/alcohol, hookers or living in super-high rental place.

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Post by IlIlI »

shp0ngle wrote: post #18

I'm two fences on Firefox doing "too many unrelated things" as the article suggests. Firefox OS has been pretty much unsuccessful, but it sort of made sense? It started to be made when Firefox was still on top on desktop, but mobile started eating its lunch; and it was clear that Firefox need to do something about it, or the future will be all Chrome and Safari, on the two locked-down platforms. Which eventually happ…

The basic idea of Firefox OS was actually great, they just didn't quite get the market right. Kai OS is a very successful fork which runs on feature phones.
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