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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by deanclatworthy »

guerrilla wrote: post #16
deanclatworthy wrote: post #8

I really want Mozilla to succeed. But I just can't bring myself to use Firefox as a daily driver. Just open a few tabs on a top of the line macbook, and a twitch stream and things get very laggy. I've seen numerous people craving for better container support, which is definitely a killer feature for people going forward towards a more private web. Why isn't Mozilla more actively developing this? Developers were the p…

> better container support What's wrong with the support it has? [1] [1] https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/multi-account...

Read any HN thread here talking about containers. People love it, but want more features and flexibility - which is only available through third-party extensions at moment (which aren't always easy to find).

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by bobmaxup »

Jonnax wrote: post #13

There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

Are they the ones sinking the ship though?

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by goto11 »

mtgx wrote: post #17
ckastner wrote: post #10

The article notes the increase in pay and states > Mitchell Baker, Mozilla's top executive, was paid $2.4m in 2018 but doesn't offer any consideration or speculation as to why this is exaggerated. It's entirely possible that without that particular exec, Firefox would have been even worse off, or would have taken another direction with regards to privacy, etc. My subjective feeling is that $2.4m does indeed seem too…

Or maybe they shouldn't have let Brendan Eich go in the first place, who seems to be doing quite well with Brave right now. Maybe a good CEO isn't defined just by the salary he or she receives?

The Brave market share is completely minuscule compared to Firefox. If success is measured by market share, it is a failure.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by manigandham »

m0zg wrote: post #31
Jonnax wrote: post #13

There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

Does there exist a "market" for CEOs of failing browser companies? I'm not aware of it. Her position would roughly map to that of a junior VP in Google or Microsoft nomenclature. I strongly doubt those people make anywhere near $2.4M/yr.

How did you come up with that comparison? Running a standalone company from the top is very different than the responsibilities of a junior VP in a trillion-dollar organization.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by frivoal »

manigandham wrote: post #27
thesimon wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that exec could potentially take other roles that pay even more If he would do that, maybe better leadership would improve Mozillas situation.

Raising the salary shows that the organization is happy with this leadership.

No, because the group that decides on raising the salary is not a shareholder meeting or something like that, but the same people who get that salary. See Mozilla's bylaws: https://static.mozilla.com/foundation/documents/mf-bylaws.pd...

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by Raed667 »

bobmaxup wrote: post #52
Jonnax wrote: post #13

There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

Are they the ones sinking the ship though?

I doesn't matter, literally the the buck stops with them.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by Aeolun »

Jonnax wrote: post #13

There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

The solution to being underpaid is to find a new job. Not to suck the organization dry...

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by LordHeini »

londons_explore wrote: post #34
shp0ngle wrote: post #18

I'm two fences on Firefox doing "too many unrelated things" as the article suggests. Firefox OS has been pretty much unsuccessful, but it sort of made sense? It started to be made when Firefox was still on top on desktop, but mobile started eating its lunch; and it was clear that Firefox need to do something about it, or the future will be all Chrome and Safari, on the two locked-down platforms. Which eventually happ…

Firefox OS never made sense unless Mozilla was prepared to pay the backroom bribes and incentives to get it preinstalled on hundreds of millions of phones. And they weren't.

Or maybe they where just too early.

Look at the Chinese Manufacturers having trouble to deploy Android due to tech embargos.

If those could just install a free os made by an indendent Organisation...

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