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Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by raxxorrax »

enriquto wrote: post #39
Jonnax wrote: post #13

There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

> And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. This kind of bullshit infuriates me to no end.

Especially since the leadership is just plain bad. Mozilla did develop in the complete wrong direction in my opinion.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by 37a37a37 »

robin_reala wrote: post #6
ecmascript wrote: post #5

Mozilla has a big leadership crisis. They kicked Brendan out because of woke politics and now they will pay the price. Get woke, go broke as they say.

Repeat after me: correlation is not causation.

Repeat after me: saying "correlation is not causation" "slippery slope fallacy" or "survivorship bias" doesn't amount to an argument. They are thought-stopping words primarily used by midwits who think it makes them sound smart. I see this all the time on HN and it's annoying. Furnish evidence or a solid argument for why he is wrong, otherwise you're no better than him.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by j-pb »

manigandham wrote: post #27
thesimon wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> that exec could potentially take other roles that pay even more If he would do that, maybe better leadership would improve Mozillas situation.

Raising the salary shows that the organization is happy with this leadership.

No it shows that the leadership is happy with their leadership.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by stepbeek »

manigandham wrote: post #54
m0zg wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Does there exist a "market" for CEOs of failing browser companies? I'm not aware of it. Her position would roughly map to that of a junior VP in Google or Microsoft nomenclature. I strongly doubt those people make anywhere near $2.4M/yr.

How did you come up with that comparison? Running a standalone company from the top is very different than the responsibilities of a junior VP in a trillion-dollar organization.

Especially in terms of potential liability.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by RobertoG »

londons_explore wrote: post #34
shp0ngle wrote: post #18

I'm two fences on Firefox doing "too many unrelated things" as the article suggests. Firefox OS has been pretty much unsuccessful, but it sort of made sense? It started to be made when Firefox was still on top on desktop, but mobile started eating its lunch; and it was clear that Firefox need to do something about it, or the future will be all Chrome and Safari, on the two locked-down platforms. Which eventually happ…

Firefox OS never made sense unless Mozilla was prepared to pay the backroom bribes and incentives to get it preinstalled on hundreds of millions of phones. And they weren't.

They had Telefónica on board. I think with better planning and execution it could be made to work.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by sbahr001 »

You also run into the issue of finding a replacement. Given that firefox appears to be sinking who will come in? If someone chooses to come in your going to have to pay a lot more them, and the team they want to bring in. So it will cost a lot more than keep the current staff, and you want the current staff to avoid the increase costs. The only reason firefox staff would be thrown out is if they can't turn it around after everything they tried. Look at yahoo, they were a sinking ship, current staff had no vision, then they hired a new CEO, who spent a ton of money, and it didn't help their situation, and bam a few years later you are sold. It works only if you bring in the right people, like AMD did. It is an uphill battle too. Imagine your career, now in 5 years, your career is gone, now what are you going to do? (This is how mining towns, etc died).

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by kbenson »

abiogenesis wrote: post #21
deanclatworthy wrote: post #8

I really want Mozilla to succeed. But I just can't bring myself to use Firefox as a daily driver. Just open a few tabs on a top of the line macbook, and a twitch stream and things get very laggy. I've seen numerous people craving for better container support, which is definitely a killer feature for people going forward towards a more private web. Why isn't Mozilla more actively developing this? Developers were the p…

Not sure about the twitch stream but I routinely open 30+ tabs on my 5 year old 16GB Macbook and I don't feel a lag

I have definitely seen something make the browser extremely laggy, but only the last few weeks. It does seem to be related to certain tabs/sites though, but I haven't figured out which.

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by RobertoG »

This:

"Mitchell Baker, Mozilla's top executive, was paid $2.4m in 2018, [..]. Payments to Baker have more than doubled in the last five years."

and this at the same time:

"Mozilla recently announced that they would be dismissing 250 people."

It's shameful. Specially for a "non profit".

Re: Firefox usage is down despite Mozilla's top exec pay going up

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Post by mihaaly »

enriquto wrote: post #39
Jonnax wrote: post #13

There's a quote from the CEO saying that they looked at the market and felt like they were being underpaid. And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. Firefox has a problem. It gets most of its revenue from Google. They need a different revenue stream but their ideas haven't worked. Their executives are clearly failures. But with such high pay, they're cashing out. Buying themsel…

> And they can't reduce their salary now because it'd be unfair on their families. This kind of bullshit infuriates me to no end.

I can cite much much more people there if they want to discuss fairness, they better forget and act this line of argument never existed!

I believe they should justify the value they create in this high paid positions compared to all other people making and disseminating the product. There is no justification for this level.

There are lots and lots of families there living on a less fair level of salary but produce much more value (and no damages).

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