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China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by stjohnswarts »

tzs wrote: post #202
aww_dang wrote: post #130

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Judging the past on the standards of the present isn't a productive line of reasoning. Using past mistakes to rationalize further atrocities is beyond regressive.

True. On the other hand, many of those past behaviors that we see as wrong for today were a big part of how we got to our present high standard of living. Doing those bad things was cheaper and faster than less bad methods. If we are going to tell lower standard of living countries that they need to take the slower or more expensive routes to wealth instead of using the same bad ways we did, we should be using some o…

So what happens next? 300 million people in the USA pull up stakes and move back to their (or ancestors) country of origin out of guilt?

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by aww_dang »

nafizh wrote: post #192

The comments on HN on Chinese aggression are so pathetic. They are conducting a systemic genocide by UN definition on Uighur muslims, and coercing people to make cheap products. Yet, you come here, and you see, oh US, Europe did this too. SMH.

Agreed. Most of the discussion focuses on comparisons to the west. Classic whataboutism, false equivalency and deflection. You see this on every critical post about the CCP across the Internet. It is an effective way to derail a discussion.

Even if HN's guidelines prohibit "nationalistic flamewars", these arguments are allowed by moderators.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by rmrfstar »

magicsmoke wrote: post #250
yters wrote: post #122

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we call out all our own flaws from the past and now reject colonialism additionally, our country was founded by people escaping religious persecution why are not right to call out others currently making our mistakes from the past?

Publicly calling out the flaws of colonialism but privately enjoying the benefits of colonialism exactly convincing. >additionally, our country was founded by people escaping religious persecution I'm assuming this refers to the US. The US criticizes its treatment of natives and how they were decimated as the US expanded west. But at the same time, it enjoys all the benefits from not having a large indigenous populat…

There is a lot of morally repugnant commentary on this website. But I think this is the worst comment I've seen yet.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by dang »

bobbyz wrote: post #368
dimitrios1 wrote: post #276

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> Do you know what the little red book is? Yes, I do, in fact... http://www.mzdbl.cn/maoxuan/maoxuan5-e/mswv5_25.htm

Wow! Did you google that all by yourself! Impressive! A+! You're about 0.5% of the way there to being qualified enough to lecture somebody about their own country!

Whoa, you can't post attacks like this regardless of how wrong someone else is, or how unfairly provoked you feel you were. In fact, the flamewar comments you've been posting in this thread are way outside what the HN guidelines allow.

Would you please review https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and use this site as intended? I understand how frustrating it can be to be defending a minority/contrarian view or to feel that others are ignorant on the internet, but burning the environment to a crisp is not an ok option—and it also does your own views the disservice of discrediting them. Assuming your views are true, then you're discrediting the truth, too - which is bad for all of us.

https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&sor...

Edit: Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24563352 also.

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Post by actuator »

bobbyz wrote: post #367
actuator wrote: post #286

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> the British drawn India-Pakistani border with the most important Sikh holy site in muslim majority Pakistan As far as I understand for that at least, the divisions/districts were divided based on religion, because that's what the demand of the leaders who wanted Pakistan was. So Pakistan got every Muslim majority district on the west of the current Indian state. Is it possible the Sikh holy site you are talking abo…

Throwing rocks from a glass house. Not sure how these claims can be made while the Native Americans languish in poverty and alcoholism.

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Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by dang »

bobbyz wrote: post #212
arbitrary_name wrote: post #189

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I've lived there and I can tell you that many Hawaiians are not appreciative of being colonized, nor should they be. Having their own flag and extra labor laws does not ameliorate the injustices and negative consequences of colonization. Nor am I qualified to talk, I just want to point out that many of my Hawaiian friends would not in any way agree with your statement, and it is worth factoring that in to the broader…

Woah! How rude of you to shatter their fanciful delusions of a people they can't relate to with those people's actual opinions!

You can't vandalize HN threads like this, regardless of how wrong other people are or you feel they are. If you know more about a topic, that's great, but the thing to do is share some of what you know so that people can learn. Flaming aggression doesn't help anyone and only hurts the cause you're trying to stand up for. Please see https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24563326 also.

I don't mean to pick on you personally and I'm not commenting on your views—only that your comments stand out in this thread as particularly nasty, and from a moderation point of view that's not ok.

From a human point of view, I sympathize. Most of us would feel and act this way in your position. I know what it feels like to be the sole person (or a small minority) arguing against a majority view—it is extremely activating, and when people are speaking out of ignorance, it can be maddening. Nevertheless you can't post to HN like you've been doing in this thread. You have to manage the activation in yourself and post within the site guidelines.

In a way this is not fair, because others are also being nasty, but happen to have majority opinion on their side, which creates a false impression of reasonableness. But fair or not, it's the way that mass psychology works—there's a greater burden on the one who holds a contrarian position.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by dang »

actuator wrote: post #133
coldtea wrote: post #120

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> From our Western perspective it feels so wrong that they're essentially trying to extinguish an entire culture and 'fitting' it into China. Yeah, kinda like Hawaii. (Not to mention Native Americans' lands, civilization, and culture). Or, well, Mexico. Sure, it's, "whataboutism". Which is an improvement on the our-shit-doesn't-smell-besides-that-was-back-a-while-ago-so-we-get-to-keep-it-now "Western perspective". Or…

> So like Hawaii? Are people in Hawaii still getting held at gunpoint to assimilate to whatever American culture is? If yes, we should definitely complain about it now. > Yes. Plus they have old claims to the area (as valid as a claim can be). Yes, we all know about those claims like the comical nine dash line. Tibet has always been a historical buffer state between the Chinese and Indian civilizations, culturally in…

Please do not post in the flamewar style to HN. It's not what we want here.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by dang »

jialutu wrote: post #357
spollo wrote: post #338

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It's all lies. I used to believe this line of thought about China. "We aren't expansionist like the US, we just want to do things our way inside of the country". It's not true. China as a unified country has never been as large as it is today. They are actively taking over parts of Nepal, they have taken pieces of land from India, they invaded and took over Tibet, the are nearing genocidal strategies to eradicate any…

Now I know you are lying! The Qing dynasty was far larger than China is today; in fact, it included Bhutan: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Qing_dynasty_...

Please stop breaking the site guidelines. You've done it a lot, we've asked you repeatedly not to, and I do not want to have to ban you.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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Post by actuator »

dang wrote: post #417
actuator wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> So like Hawaii? Are people in Hawaii still getting held at gunpoint to assimilate to whatever American culture is? If yes, we should definitely complain about it now. > Yes. Plus they have old claims to the area (as valid as a claim can be). Yes, we all know about those claims like the comical nine dash line. Tibet has always been a historical buffer state between the Chinese and Indian civilizations, culturally in…

Please do not post in the flamewar style to HN. It's not what we want here. https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

I apologize about the structure of my last statement, it came out like that because of the tone of the parent comment and the constant whataboutism and general misinformation(like "valid old claims") we see in these threads. It gets tiring after a while.

I don't understand why my other comment down the thread was flagged by you though.

Re: China sharply expands mass labor program in Tibet

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Post by bouncycastle »

tasuki wrote: post #150
FooBarBizBazz wrote: post #63

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That their old culture, and its old power structures, are bad, and that the new culture, and the new power structures (with Han at the top) are good. New is good. Old is a bad look.

Tbh the power structures in Tibet [0] weren't that great . [0]: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Tibet_(1912%E2%80%931951)#/Socie...

This article is about the power structures in 1951. That's history, not current affairs.
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