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The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by macinjosh »

brandonmenc wrote: post #203
macinjosh wrote: post #156

If you want a text editor with longevity try vim or emacs. They aren't dependent on the benevolence of a greedy corporation. Over time VSCode _will_ be raided by the bean counters at MS and it will begin to track you, give you ads about MS products, and lock you in to their ecosystem. I'll never understand why a professional developer would give so much influence over their work to the likes of MS, JetBrains, etc. Su…

> I'll never understand why a professional developer would give so much influence over their work to the likes of MS, JetBrains, etc. To flip it, I'll never understand why a professional developer won't spend a measly hundred bucks on an IDE that has everything set up out of the box. Also, VSCode and IDEA are both open source.

> Also, VSCode and IDEA are both open source.

In both cases its open source like Android is open source. The core code is available but its pretty much useless compared to the commercial version. On top of that it is still owned by a corporation who probably don't have their users interests in mind.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by macinjosh »

zeroxfe wrote: post #165
macinjosh wrote: post #156

If you want a text editor with longevity try vim or emacs. They aren't dependent on the benevolence of a greedy corporation. Over time VSCode _will_ be raided by the bean counters at MS and it will begin to track you, give you ads about MS products, and lock you in to their ecosystem. I'll never understand why a professional developer would give so much influence over their work to the likes of MS, JetBrains, etc. Su…

Two decades of vim here, and I switched to VS Code. As a "professional developer", it's just nicer to use, and makes me feel way more productive than ever. I definitely wouldn't call it a toy.

I regret using the term toy. Please forgive me :) From my perspective I just can't see investing my precious time in a commercial tool.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by ausjke »

willbw wrote: post #206
ausjke wrote: post #115

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same here, use it on the server and desktop, gave up on vscode one year ago, did not need my purchased jetbrains(webstorms etc) for 99% of the time. vim rules for me, as a full IDE from the terminal.

out of curiosity what language do you write primarily?

I actually deal with a lots of code, c/c++/js/python/golang/lua/sql, guess what vim can be configured to work well for them all: autocomplete, syntax highlight, auto-format,etc. along with nerdtree, I rarely need mouse at all during coding.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by nitemice »

willbw wrote: post #198

I find this post along with the comments in "A Picture of Java in 2020" https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24551390 to be incongruous with my experience as a professional developer. My first couple of years writing software I used Vim, then VSCode, then worked in a Java shop and was forced to use IntelliJ. I didn't like it at first, but now after a couple of years I cannot see how I lived without it. The idea that…

As someone who uses all three of the editors you named, I think that each serves a pretty different purpose in practice. Each aspires to be the be-all, end-all editor/IDE, but that's just unrealistic to me.

For me, I use VIM all day, every day at work (C++), because while it doesn't have the full IDE experience out of the box, it's close enough, and can be brought much closer with various plugins and knowledgeable adjustments. I've stuck with it because "it just works" and I'm use to it. A previous colleague was a big VIM evangelist, so got a running start from him, and now I've tweaked it enough that it works well for me.

VSCode is my general purpose text editor at home. If I'm writing markdown, or fixing some script, or I just need to see what's in that file, I'll use VSCode. It is the obvious, far superior replacement for Notepad, and has plenty of niceties to make it that much easier to use.

But if I'm building something with a lot of moving parts in one of its supported languages, I'll use IntelliJ. I don't often write Java these days, but PyCharm is just a reskin for Python and I think it's great. It does so much junk for you, and it makes testing and debugging so easy. It does trip up my muscle-memory occasionally, but for the most part it's a powerful tool that's great at what it does.

Re: The Era of Visual Studio Code

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Post by BeetleB »

TaupeRanger wrote: post #247
zeroxfe wrote: post #165

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Two decades of vim here, and I switched to VS Code. As a "professional developer", it's just nicer to use, and makes me feel way more productive than ever. I definitely wouldn't call it a toy.

I find comments like this incomprehensible. Are you using a Vim emulator in VS Code? If not, how can you possibly be more productive? People use Vim precisely because it offers a faster more efficient way to write code. What is it about VS Code that makes you more productive?

There are more aspects to productivity than typing efficiency.

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Post by FridgeSeal »

kamhh94 wrote: post #171
vixit wrote: post #105

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Ooh, if IntelliJ gets remote functionality I'll be very happy.

I spoke to the team in KubeCon last year and they said “our research team is looking into it” with a hand wave. I doubt IntelliJ will actually implement this anytime soon, sadly.

Remote and Docker based Python environments have worked for a while in PyCharm.

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Post by jolux »

lmm wrote: post #391
jolux wrote: post #323

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If you're suggesting we all switch to writing APL then I'm probably in agreement with you :) but I still think you're partially undervaluing and partially misunderstanding the full potential of IDEs. >Can you think in terms of what a JetBrains codebase will look like after you refactor it, without actually doing the refactoring and seeing the result? How about with two or three such applications in play? Not sure wha…

You should try writing Scala in IntelliJ. It's not Idris, but it's a lot closer than C# is (and already past OCaml, IMO).

I'm not super jazzed about where Scala sits on the syntactic complexity vs expressive power plot. Seems uncomfortably close to C++ from what I've seen of it, although I know that Dotty/Scala 3 is supposed to clean it up quite a bit conceptually.

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Post by mekster »

macinjosh wrote: post #399
mekster wrote: post #367

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I'd like to assume you're joking but 20 years of vim doesn't get me anywhere close to the productivity of JetBrains or even VS code on their first years. Vim first of all has its default set so that only very patient people can live with it. So you need to edit the defaults so much to make it slightly more comfortable, and you need to pick plugins that only some work as expected, mostly not updated in years and they…

> 20 years of vim doesn't get me anywhere close to the productivity of JetBrains or even VS code on their first years. If that is the case you only scratched the surface of vim.

I think vim is like a rock, so it takes quite an effort to even scratch it then.

But even if you use a drill, can vim even become as useful as IntelliJ or VS code? I doubt that.

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Post by sebastos »

halayli wrote: post #335
frankjr wrote: post #52

I completely switched to VS Code once I discovered the remote development feature [0]. It allows you to run VS Code locally but work on a project in a different environment (via SSH, Docker, WSL). The integration is seamless - search, debugger, terminal, extensions - everything looks and behaves as if it was running locally but is delegated to the configured remote. You can even have different remotes opened at the s…

I use clion by jetbrains and been using remote development feature for almost a year now.

Maybe it works for literal remote development, but the jetbrains support for remote dev in a docker container is a complete afterthought. There's tons of critical, relevant feature requests that have been stuck in the pipeline for years. In vscode, it is well thought out and polished. My team desperately wanted development out of containers to ease on-boarding and standardization of development environments. Trying to make it work with CLion was a nightmare that was practically dead before it started, and we thought we'd never get it. Then we found vscode's support and have never looked back. I sometimes laugh looking back at what we were having to do to get it to even slightly work, and think about all the troubles we would have had ahead.
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