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Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by daltonlp »

janlukacs wrote: post #267

A couple of years ago Asana stole our slogan, now Google. For the record, https://www.paymoapp.com (work management) was the first to use Work better, together. Really annoying that they don't do at least a bit of research.

Are you sure?

It looks you started using to this slogan in 2019. Prior to that, it was "Work Happy": https://web.archive.org/web/20181116030147/https://www.paymo...

But there was at least one other business using "Work better together" in 2017: https://web.archive.org/web/20170515171057/https://projectin...

Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by drewda »

ocdtrekkie wrote: post #19
easton wrote: post #4

This isn't part of GSuite and therefore isn't subject to the same SLA. I wonder if the pricing will stick like this forever or if it will eventually be bundled, since Microsoft already includes something like this in 365 (and many companies probably already pay someone else for this type of functionality, like Airtable). I'd be a little scared of paying for something in the Google incubator, knowing how they cull stu…

"The Google incubator" is particularly accurate here, if you look at the tags on the blog: "Area 120". This is an app developed by one of their "let these people write random stuff" groups: https://area120.google.com/ To my knowledge, nothing majorly successful or long-term supported has ever come out of Area 120.

> To my knowledge, nothing majorly successful or long-term supported has ever come out of Area 120.

Instead try evaluating the success of Area 120 by the number of Google staff members who have had their "incredible journey" itch scratched and then returned to a product or infrastructure team at Google when their Area 120 project is EOL'ed. From a corporate perspective, it's worth spending some money on throw-away projects to retain staff who might otherwise quit to pursue an actual startup.

Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by carliny »

mrspeaker wrote: post #28

$10 a month! This does look really useful, and seems like a smart move: I like AirTable, but if they integrate this into gsuite then I'm way more likely to use it for random things. Interesting to see it being paid though! The free tier seems very limited for a google product: 1000 rows, 100 tables, 50 bot actions... paid version is $10 a month. 1000 rows won't be enough for anything serious - so they must be really…

Hey there! I'm the Tables PM and your comment caught my eye.

I really appreciate that feedback for us, and we're really hoping to make it as useful as possible for you and others! :) As prlambert@ mentioned in another comment, we're kinda like a startup and if things go well, the goal is graduate into larger parts of Google.

A point of clarification on the free tier: we're offering 1000 rows per table--an individual tab within a workspace--which we hope offers a lot of flexibility in mixing and matching data in a workspace to track your work together. If there's particular use cases you have that involve over a 1000 rows, we'd love to hear more about it. Thanks for taking a look at the product!

Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by panarky »

jiofih wrote: post #260
jjeaff wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I am also annoyed by Google's discontinuation of products, I would guess that the failure rate of saas startups is still much higher than Google's cancel rate. I'm not sure how many years a startup needs to be around though before it's likelyhood of survival surpasses that of a new google product.

Google has discontinued a total of 205 products so far. I think their survival rate is pretty close to the startup average.

How many products has Microsoft discontinued?

Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by gpm »

baxtr wrote: post #268
crazygringo wrote: post #193

As a product, this looks super-cool. However, I've got to be honest: while I'd play around with it while it's part of Area 120, there's no way I'd use it in a business until it officially became part of G Suite, as a core service . If Keep and Tasks are core services, then this needs to be too. That becomes a guarantee that it'll stick around basically forever. So it's very exciting to see Google launch something lik…

Anyone remember Google Wave?!

Wasn't Google wave always a closed (with plenty of invites available) beta?

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Post by shajznnckfke »

jjoonathan wrote: post #166
shajznnckfke wrote: post #163

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m sure the coming promotion/fat refresher for shipping a product helps ease the suffering.

Have they fixed the incentives yet? Or is it still "ship = good, maintain = bad," guaranteeing that the pattern continues?

I’m not sure the incentive is really wrong, although it sucks for the users affected. It’s sort of like how VCs want startups to reach unicorn status or go bust trying. Google doesn’t want to waste engineers running a lifestyle business.

Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by codingdave »

timmg wrote: post #290
generatorguy wrote: post #258

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What are your thoughts on the fact that 90% of the comments here are something to the effect of “there is no sense in personally investing in using Tables since google will shut it down in x years”?

I never expected that kind of response from HN ;) Just kidding. I do think it's a very fair concern for people to have. Google has that reputation. But honestly, many things on HN are from startups that may go away. And it isn't just Google. I was a huge fan of Apple's Aperture, for example, and they let that die on the vine. For us, we think there is a real need for this kind of product. And we hope the one we built…

> we think there is a real need for this kind of product.

I believe the comments covered that as well - this feels like a new flavor matching existing products. With the lack of trust in Google to keep it alive, combined with the fact that it just doesn't look to be innovative... it simply does not sound compelling.

If we got it wrong and there is more to it than "Google's attempt at AirTable", then perhaps the communication on what this product is supposed to be has missed the mark.

Re: Tables: Tracking work for teams

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Post by edoceo »

jiofih wrote: post #260
jjeaff wrote: post #256

Earlier quoted context omitted.

While I am also annoyed by Google's discontinuation of products, I would guess that the failure rate of saas startups is still much higher than Google's cancel rate. I'm not sure how many years a startup needs to be around though before it's likelyhood of survival surpasses that of a new google product.

Google has discontinued a total of 205 products so far. I think their survival rate is pretty close to the startup average.

There have been well more than 205 failed startups in the last 10 years and so many more since G started. Google kill count is high but startup failure is much much higher
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