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Paris hails victory over short-stay rents

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Re: Paris hails victory over short-stay rents

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Post by vertis »

PeterStuer wrote: post #64
vertis wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hah, that's funny. I had a horrible night at a hotel in Ireland, where the room next door was partying and the attendant was just powerless to stop it (he tried).

So I'm sure you can imagine what happens in places where there isn't even an attendant to try, and the rest of the building is not other hotel guests having a potential lousy night but people's actual homes.

Oh absolutely, and we had an experience in London where the apartment upstairs was used for a party while we were there and the landlord, who owned both apartments didn't care, wouldn't take responsibility.

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Post by deegles »

yardie wrote: post #42
joshgev wrote: post #20

I understand that this definitely helps some vested interests (hotel industry, for instance), but the issue transcends a discussion of hotels vs. Airbnb and the cost of housing. I've had the displeasure of living in an apartment building that was used partially for long-term tenants (of which I was one) and short-term Airbnb guests. The experience was terrible. Constant noise, incredibly inconsiderate people leaving…

I own in a building that used to be rampant with AirBnb rentals. Once we had enough owners to vote on new bylaws we reduced short term rentals dramatically. From do as you want, to 30 days, and now 6 months. I used to not mind Airbnb and was a long time proponent. But the edge cases aren't even edge cases anymore. Just within the last few days one of the more popular buildings in our neighborhood had a shooting. The…

Not even a refund sometimes. If you look at the 30+ day Airbnb rentals their policy is "full refund, except for the first 30 days." I had to be really careful to pick a place that had good reviews because I wouldn't be able to get much back.

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Post by kyleblarson »

joshgev wrote: post #20

I understand that this definitely helps some vested interests (hotel industry, for instance), but the issue transcends a discussion of hotels vs. Airbnb and the cost of housing. I've had the displeasure of living in an apartment building that was used partially for long-term tenants (of which I was one) and short-term Airbnb guests. The experience was terrible. Constant noise, incredibly inconsiderate people leaving…

You are free to move elsewhere.

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Post by cgh »

joshgev wrote: post #20

I understand that this definitely helps some vested interests (hotel industry, for instance), but the issue transcends a discussion of hotels vs. Airbnb and the cost of housing. I've had the displeasure of living in an apartment building that was used partially for long-term tenants (of which I was one) and short-term Airbnb guests. The experience was terrible. Constant noise, incredibly inconsiderate people leaving…

The house behind ours in our little community was an AirBnB rental and it was a constant source of issues. Like you said, these weren't lower-income people causing these issues, but young professionals here for outdoor recreation (skiing, mountain biking, etc). There was zero regard for the families living all around them and eventually the town passed a bylaw to deal with short-term rentals.

Long story short, everyone within earshot of this house now hates AirBnB.

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Post by lm28469 »

vertis wrote: post #49
joshgev wrote: post #20

I understand that this definitely helps some vested interests (hotel industry, for instance), but the issue transcends a discussion of hotels vs. Airbnb and the cost of housing. I've had the displeasure of living in an apartment building that was used partially for long-term tenants (of which I was one) and short-term Airbnb guests. The experience was terrible. Constant noise, incredibly inconsiderate people leaving…

As a digital nomad I live my life in AirBnBs (with the exception of the occasional hotel and housesit). Over the last 2 years I have stayed in ~20-30 AirBnBs in Asia and Europe (we were going to do the Americas this year...alas). Without AirBnB I don't know how we would be able to live as digital nomads. Hotels are not acceptable because they lack kitchens and laundries (and laptop friendly workspaces). I understand…

You being nice and enjoying a service that is a pain in the ass for a loooot of people doesn't change the fact that it still is a pain in the ass for a lot of people. "digital nomad" issues are high on the list of first world problems too, the vast majority of people living next to these airbnbs can't afford to be digital nomad and escape their hell.

Come to Berlin and our party airbnbs if you want a taste, bring an umbrella, condoms are literally raining from the sky around these. It's even worse now that clubs are closed due to covid.

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Post by chinathrow »

vertis wrote: post #49
joshgev wrote: post #20

I understand that this definitely helps some vested interests (hotel industry, for instance), but the issue transcends a discussion of hotels vs. Airbnb and the cost of housing. I've had the displeasure of living in an apartment building that was used partially for long-term tenants (of which I was one) and short-term Airbnb guests. The experience was terrible. Constant noise, incredibly inconsiderate people leaving…

As a digital nomad I live my life in AirBnBs (with the exception of the occasional hotel and housesit). Over the last 2 years I have stayed in ~20-30 AirBnBs in Asia and Europe (we were going to do the Americas this year...alas). Without AirBnB I don't know how we would be able to live as digital nomads. Hotels are not acceptable because they lack kitchens and laundries (and laptop friendly workspaces). I understand…

> Without AirBnB I don't know how we would be able to live as digital nomads.

Holiday home rentals have been around way longer than AirBnB, allthough I do admit that AirBnB makes the rental experience much easier.

These days, lots of flats are still on other booking engines too such as Booking.com or HomeAway.

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Post by vertis »

virgilp wrote: post #70
vertis wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a digital nomad I live my life in AirBnBs (with the exception of the occasional hotel and housesit). Over the last 2 years I have stayed in ~20-30 AirBnBs in Asia and Europe (we were going to do the Americas this year...alas). Without AirBnB I don't know how we would be able to live as digital nomads. Hotels are not acceptable because they lack kitchens and laundries (and laptop friendly workspaces). I understand…

You can do rentals, there are non-Airbnb rentals everywhere for periods of "months". > It does not take AirBnB to have problems with other parties within an apartment block. No but AirBnB exacerbates that - and adds a host of other problems too. > But one of the things the we value as digital nomads is living as the locals live (or as close as possible). But you're not, not really. Come on. Not in "weeks up to months…

I agree with a lot of your points, AirBnB has just made it much more accessible (they're not alone just the point)

Regarding living like the locals live, of course it's not exact. For example, knowing the language matter a lot, but it's a very different experience to staying in a Hotel in the middle of the old town. Many cities that get rave tourist reviews are not near as nice if you don't stay in the tourist quarter (for example).

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Post by q3k »

vertis wrote: post #49
joshgev wrote: post #20

I understand that this definitely helps some vested interests (hotel industry, for instance), but the issue transcends a discussion of hotels vs. Airbnb and the cost of housing. I've had the displeasure of living in an apartment building that was used partially for long-term tenants (of which I was one) and short-term Airbnb guests. The experience was terrible. Constant noise, incredibly inconsiderate people leaving…

As a digital nomad I live my life in AirBnBs (with the exception of the occasional hotel and housesit). Over the last 2 years I have stayed in ~20-30 AirBnBs in Asia and Europe (we were going to do the Americas this year...alas). Without AirBnB I don't know how we would be able to live as digital nomads. Hotels are not acceptable because they lack kitchens and laundries (and laptop friendly workspaces). I understand…

> I would love to know why people are downvoting?

I didn't downvote, but your post seems to come from a place of privilege. It puts your comfortable, posh 'digital nomad' touristy lifestyle as something that is worth sacrificing others' lives for. Oh no, you might have to stay in a hotel or long-stay vacation home instead of a short-term rental. Imagine the discomfort.

To me, if you visit some place, you do as the locals wish - after all, their way of life built the place you're visiting in the first place.

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Post by sokoloff »

skullx wrote: post #66
vertis wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a digital nomad I live my life in AirBnBs (with the exception of the occasional hotel and housesit). Over the last 2 years I have stayed in ~20-30 AirBnBs in Asia and Europe (we were going to do the Americas this year...alas). Without AirBnB I don't know how we would be able to live as digital nomads. Hotels are not acceptable because they lack kitchens and laundries (and laptop friendly workspaces). I understand…

I'm pretty sure there is a lot of options other than Hotels that would cover your needs, that existed long before Airbnb. Just to name a few you can stay in aparthotels , a common thing in almost every country, or you can just rent a regular apartment directly with the owner, instead of doing it through Airbnb. IMO Airbnb does more bad than good and transform centric areas of big cities in amusement park for the tour…

> you can just rent a regular apartment directly with the owner, instead of doing it through Airbnb

AirBnB actually solves a lot of this problem, though. I can't imagine the difficulty of finding 20-30 different, independent, 1-month apartment stays directly with the apartment owners, dealing with security deposits and short-term leases, etc.

They're a directory/marketplace/availability clearinghouse. They're an intermediary. They're a payment processor. They provide ratings and reviews. They provide some miniscule level of support.

It might be the case that AirBnB is more bad than good, but I think it's at least a little unreasonable to suggest "you can just rent a regular apartment directly with the owner" for the digital nomad case.

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Post by ApolloFortyNine »

bradlys wrote: post #50
littleweep wrote: post #10

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I feel like someone first decides on a destination and then decides on where to stay. I don't think a sizable portion of travelers prioritize staying in an apartment or private home over visiting Paris.

Probably should speak for yourself. We definitely look at the accommodations while looking at a place to travel to. If it’s too expensive, we won’t go. Airbnb is significantly less expensive than hotels for many places. We couldn’t even get a damn hotel when we tried to visit Rome. (Short of them being $300+/night, way out of our budget) If the only thing available is extremely expensive hotels (especially if they’re…

Boy, AirBnbs (or vacationrentalbyowner, as I've used that in Rome a couple times) are fantastic in Rome.

For less than the hotel 2 blocks away from the Pantheon I got a rental with an actual view of the Pantheon.

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