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Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by microtherion » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 4:26 PM UTC

jasoneckert wrote: post #78

What I find the most interesting about this article is that someone was able to be identified using a picture of their fingerprints. Thus, any photos posted online could be scoured for identification information. And with computer vision technologies becoming more mature, it means that regular video footage of people could identify them the same way in seconds or less using a wide variety of different visual traits.…

> identified using a picture of their fingerprints

It's not clear to me that they identified him that way. It might be that they arrested him due to other evidence, compared the fingerprints afterward, and told him that they could prove the fingerprints matched, whereupon he pled guilty.

It's no unheard of to elicit guilty pleas using less than scientifically robust forensic methods.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by tchaffee » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 4:27 PM UTC

nip180 wrote: post #213

tchaffee wrote: post #195

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It is not significantly safer. If we are comparing like to like, then we are not talking about a one time exposure, we are talking about addiction and regular exposure. Addiction to sugar will almost always result in a high BMI. "Having a high BMI during pregnancy has been linked to an increased risk of various health problems for a baby, including: Birth defects Being significantly larger than average (fetal macroso…

People addicted and regularly consuming alcohol, meth (smoked, snorted, or injected), street heroin, and cocaine all suffer from significantly worse side effects than people addicted to sugar. I’ll grant you that sugar has a higher total social cost, because more people are addicted to it.

Street heroin isn't comparable because that's a complication of it being illegal. You would have to compare sugar to legalized heroin and safe injection sites like they have in Switzerland. In which case you are wrong. Heroin is a very safe drug once you eliminate the possibility of overdose, extremely well tolerated by the body aside from constipation. Which is why opiates are extremely common in hospitals and are used in great quantities all over the world.

Diabetes is far more dangerous than legal and medically supervised heroin. So you got that wrong. What else did you get wrong?

Alcohol addiction is worse than sugar addiction without a doubt, I can agree with that.

Diabetes is a very serious disease. I wouldn't be surprised at all to find out a cocaine addiction is safer long term. You would really need to back up your claim with stats instead of just continuing to insist.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by garrettgrimsley » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 4:31 PM UTC

ciarannolan wrote: post #176

mabbo wrote: post #171

> Porras also admitted possessing a Model A uzi-style pistol; a MAK 90; and an S&W .44 caliber revolver. Although all weapons in Porras’ possession were legal firearms (the uzi-style pistol used post ban parts), a felony conviction for possession with intent precluded firearm ownership. Can someone explain this part to me. Was he previously convicted of a crime that precluded ownership? Or are the police able to take…

Felons cannot own guns in the US. There's nothing complicated about it.

It's actually more complicated than that. In many states if you are convicted of a non-violent felony then at the end of your sentence your firearm rights are automatically restored. There are also the cases of pardons, expungements, and other restorations of civil rights. It varies by state, and while USC 922(g) outlaws firearm ownership possession by any felon, in practice the Federal courts look at whether the person has had their civil rights restored in the state of the alleged offense. When it comes to Federal charges, the prospect of amelioration is grim. In the Federal scenario, there is no expungement or pathway to restore your civil rights, but a pardon is possible. [0]

There's also a discussion to be had about your and the legal definition of a "gun." For example, antique firearms such as some black powder rifles are specifically excepted [1] from the Federal legislation, but it could vary on a state by state basis.

[0] https://www.justice.gov/archives/jm/criminal-resource-manual...

[1] https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/921

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by tchaffee » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 4:33 PM UTC

umvi wrote: post #210

luckylion wrote: post #204

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> because many law abiding citizens who otherwise would have never touched the drug may whimsically decide to try it They likely wouldn't. Most drugs aren't socially accepted, the gas station wouldn't stock them (and that's usually not what people ask for when they talk about legalization). Consider LSD. It's illegal, heavily so. But there's 1P-LSD, it's a "research chemical" and very similar to LSD. It has been lega…

> They likely wouldn't. Most drugs aren't socially accepted, the gas station wouldn't stock them I don't know, I'm still not convinced. I think legalization is an important step on the path to social acceptance. Examples: Marijuana, abortion, gay marriage These things used to be socially unacceptable and illegal, but they are now socially acceptable and legal Some drugs might not be socially acceptable right now , bu…

You have the causation reversed. Marijuana, abortion, and gay marriage were all legalized because they became socially acceptable while illegal and the laws no longer reflected the values of society.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by pitay » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 4:35 PM UTC

Lazare wrote: post #179

pitay wrote: post #125

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I may need to clear up a misconception of mine, so here goes. Isn't it Dexamphetamine that is the routine treatment for ADHD? As far as I understood, methamphetamine has much stronger effects than dexamphetamine, also meth been prone to cause more adverse effects and have more neurotoxicity than the dex counterpart? Maybe I'm completely off base here.

Dextroamphetamine is a common first line treatment for ADHD, but methamphetamine is a second line treatment. A lot of the information about methamphetamine is, bluntly, propaganda. For example, there seems to be nothing about methamphetamine that is uniquely harmful to teeth, but "meth mouth" is a common trope. When taken orally at therapeutic doses it's not clear methamphetamine is any more harmful than dextroamphet…

Thanks for the reply. Is second line treatment, what is heard from others may be derived from drug war propaganda, got it. This clears things up nicely. Thanks.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by pitay » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 4:41 PM UTC

bunfunton wrote: post #199

pitay wrote: post #125

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I may need to clear up a misconception of mine, so here goes. Isn't it Dexamphetamine that is the routine treatment for ADHD? As far as I understood, methamphetamine has much stronger effects than dexamphetamine, also meth been prone to cause more adverse effects and have more neurotoxicity than the dex counterpart? Maybe I'm completely off base here.

dexamphetamine / dextroamphetamine works well but over-focuses me (could watch paint dry) and causes depression + robotic behavior after a few days. Every med is distinctly different, even different isomers of the same chemical.

Yeah I mentioned it because I got put on dexamphetamine once. Couldn't stand it personally, couldn't sit down or keep still, and made me more annoying I think. Totally understand that even chemically similar medications can be very different to each other.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by umvi » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 4:41 PM UTC

tchaffee wrote: post #224

umvi wrote: post #210

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> They likely wouldn't. Most drugs aren't socially accepted, the gas station wouldn't stock them I don't know, I'm still not convinced. I think legalization is an important step on the path to social acceptance. Examples: Marijuana, abortion, gay marriage These things used to be socially unacceptable and illegal, but they are now socially acceptable and legal Some drugs might not be socially acceptable right now , bu…

You have the causation reversed. Marijuana, abortion, and gay marriage were all legalized because they became socially acceptable while illegal and the laws no longer reflected the values of society.

I admitted as such, but wouldn't you say the legalization gave an additional boost to social acceptance? Social acceptance isn't a yes/no, it's a 0-100% based on the fraction of the population that accepts it. And if marijuana was at, say, 50% acceptance before legalization, I would imagine (I'm just making these numbers up) legalization boosted it to 75%.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by jrochkind1 » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 4:41 PM UTC

tchaffee wrote: post #163

umvi wrote: post #149

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> Prohibition doesn't work for meth or heroin either. Making them freely available under doctor supervision is what works. Those things can be mutually exclusive though. For example, you could make it so meth/heroin isn't readily available at the local pharmacy/gas station, yet also make it freely available under doctor supervision at rehab centers. I think many people (myself included) are apprehensive about making…

> many people (myself included) are apprehensive Well yes, a lot of the discussion is around fear of what might happen. Why isn't anyone afraid of what already is happening? Illegal recreational drugs are literally a greater than $ billion dollar a year business in the US alone. I could understand this position if recreational drugs were somewhat uncommon and the fear was that legalizing them would make them more wid…

This. Whatever we are doing now definitley does not work; drugs are destroying millions of peoples lives already, and also contributing to lots of violence caused by the black market drug trade. We've been trying "that, but MORE of it" for a few decades, and the problems caused by drugs have gotten WORSE. So, how about something different?

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by ArkVark » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 4:44 PM UTC

pmachinery wrote: post #52

blunte wrote: post #14

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There is considerable information back from the 80s to suggest that the US war on drugs was actually a system to enable racial discrimination. Then some years later, the ear on drugs became associated with the growth of the private prison industry and it's lobbyists. Indeed I provide no references here because it is quite an involved topic and difficult to prove given the publicly available information.

The motivation for fictitious wars against bogeymen is to empower and bankroll law enforcement while diminishing the civil rights of citizens. Like the war on terror, the decades long war on drugs has been a roaring success.

And now we have the War on COVID.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by lambdaba » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 4:46 PM UTC

nip180 wrote: post #216

lambdaba wrote: post #184

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That's why I said "most drugs". That being said, there is an epidemic of childhood diabetes and _newborn_ obesity, which is entirely due to mother's high sugar & processed foods diets. It's a serious matter. Also, it's possible to be a long-time user (obviously not a abuser) of heroin or meth (I know it's not exactly comparable but consider people taking adhd meds). I'd take that over abusing sugar, which will cause…

If cost, purity, and consistency of supply (for the drug and all paraphernalia) wasn’t a problem it’s probably safer to consume heroin regularly than consume coca-coal regularly. With the realities as they are coca-coal is probably safer, but because it’s cheaper, won’t have unexpected adulterants, and you won’t have to invest much time or effort in finding a new supply if your favorite vending machine breaks down.

Yes, that what was I was thinking, particularly the Dutch example where heroin addiction is treated as a healthcare problem and addicts have long lives.

I like that you spelled Coca-Cola "coca coal" :)