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Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by nip180 »

lambdaba wrote: post #98
dTal wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Thank you for at least engaging with what I actually said. Obviously, you must balance the harm of the intervention itself with the harm that the intervention is trying to mitigate. In fact many of your measures are already in place. Civilized society does control your diet, through food regulation. It controls what you watch to some extent - you'll have to go a bit out of your way to find sex and violence. Alcohol i…

Sugar costs way more in health consequences. It's easier to recover from abuse from most drugs than sugar, which is a slow poison, yet available everywhere and given to us since early childhood (actually, in the womb).

That’s absurd and incorrect. It’s significantly safer to expose an unborn child to sugar than alcohol, cocaine, meth, or heroin.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by tchaffee »

bunfunton wrote: post #42
aristophenes wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can partially understand that point of view for marijuana (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference). But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Our government provides costly services for people who are incapable of taking care of themselves, and…

Meth isn’t life destroying poison sorry to inform you. I take 10mg for ADHD a day and it’s saved my life when all other alternatives have failed. I would argue the bad cases you’ve seen are from people with no self control. Why should the government be able to tell you what you can and cannot put into your own body? Better, let people do what they want as long as they don’t hurt anybody else and educate them.

Thank you for giving a counter example of how useful some of these drugs can be.

> I would argue the bad cases you’ve seen are from people with no self control.

Please reconsider this position. It is outdated and goes against all recent evidence about the science of addiction, and the chemical changes that occur in the brain to cause addiction. Addiction is a medical condition. It has as little to do with self control as having cancer does.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by pstrateman »

mabbo wrote: post #171

> Porras also admitted possessing a Model A uzi-style pistol; a MAK 90; and an S&W .44 caliber revolver. Although all weapons in Porras’ possession were legal firearms (the uzi-style pistol used post ban parts), a felony conviction for possession with intent precluded firearm ownership. Can someone explain this part to me. Was he previously convicted of a crime that precluded ownership? Or are the police able to take…

I can't tell from the article.

Certainly if he was previously convicted he can't legally poses a firearm.

However I believe that possession of a firearm while operating a drug distribution business is also illegal.

The article seems ambiguous on which it is.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by lambdaba »

nip180 wrote: post #181
lambdaba wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sugar costs way more in health consequences. It's easier to recover from abuse from most drugs than sugar, which is a slow poison, yet available everywhere and given to us since early childhood (actually, in the womb).

That’s absurd and incorrect. It’s significantly safer to expose an unborn child to sugar than alcohol, cocaine, meth, or heroin.

That's why I said "most drugs".

That being said, there is an epidemic of childhood diabetes and _newborn_ obesity, which is entirely due to mother's high sugar & processed foods diets. It's a serious matter.

Also, it's possible to be a long-time user (obviously not a abuser) of heroin or meth (I know it's not exactly comparable but consider people taking adhd meds).

I'd take that over abusing sugar, which will cause fatty liver, diabetes, and cancer.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by disown »

pmachinery wrote: post #52
blunte wrote: post #14

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There is considerable information back from the 80s to suggest that the US war on drugs was actually a system to enable racial discrimination. Then some years later, the ear on drugs became associated with the growth of the private prison industry and it's lobbyists. Indeed I provide no references here because it is quite an involved topic and difficult to prove given the publicly available information.

The motivation for fictitious wars against bogeymen is to empower and bankroll law enforcement while diminishing the civil rights of citizens. Like the war on terror, the decades long war on drugs has been a roaring success.

Also to cause fear and panic to unite the population against a common enemy. Fear is the fundamental basis of government and control.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by tchaffee »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #93
bunfunton wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meth isn’t life destroying poison sorry to inform you. I take 10mg for ADHD a day and it’s saved my life when all other alternatives have failed. I would argue the bad cases you’ve seen are from people with no self control. Why should the government be able to tell you what you can and cannot put into your own body? Better, let people do what they want as long as they don’t hurt anybody else and educate them.

My doctor wanted to prescribe me benzodiazepines for depression / insomnia / brain shakes but, after seeing what withdrawal from legal benzodiazepines looks like, I refused. Illegal weed keeps me sane and let me sleep, but go and explain that to lawmakers...

Good choice. Benzodiazepines screw with brain chemistry like no other drug I've seen people use medically or recreationally. As one friend put it about his Xanax: "I'm not sure where the anxiety goes when I take Xanax, but I think it goes to the gym considering how strong it is when it comes back". My guess is that 20 or 50 years from now we are going to look back on the widespread prescription of benzos as a really bad idea. Hopefully the legalization of cannabis continues to accelerate so people like yourself don't have to risk legal consequences for treating a medical condition.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by Scoundreller »

Jabbles wrote: post #64
ficklepickle wrote: post #27

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Imgur strips exif by default. I agree it sounds like parallel construction. The article mentions they compared his finger prints to those from the picture. How did they know to check against his prints? Sounds like they already knew who it was, by means that aren't admissible as evidence.

Imgur certainly doesn't display EXIF by default, but are you sure it doesn't retain it such that it could be obtained by a warrant?

If I were them, I wouldn’t save it just to reduce my warrant workload.

Kinda like 4chan and DMCAs: there’s no point since it’s usually deleted by the time it’s submitted anyway.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by 1_person »

aristophenes wrote: post #16
antihero wrote: post #2

What a colossal waste of time. Prosecuting someone for selling online something that is illegal in a lot of states. Mindblowing how stupid the war on drugs is.

I can partially understand that point of view for marijuana (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference). But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Our government provides costly services for people who are incapable of taking care of themselves, and…

> (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference)

This is an unbelievably privileged position to take.

Are you not aware that the country itself was established in the finest tradition of civil disobedience?

The declaration of independence was an act of civil disobedience.

The end of colonial empires was an act of civil disobedience.

Slavery and segregation were resisted by civil disobedience.

Oskar Schindler is the only member of the Nazi party to have been buried in Jerusalem in recognition of his civil disobedience.

Are you really suggesting that all of these acts in defiance of unjust laws were morally wrong, and that everyone should have just waited for the law or regime to change?

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by andrepd »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #73
aristophenes wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can partially understand that point of view for marijuana (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference). But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Our government provides costly services for people who are incapable of taking care of themselves, and…

I think it would be great to remove social safety nets and a war on drugs. Social safety nets are just forcefully taking money from people creating value in society, taking a fee to keep alive government bureaucrats, and give the rest to people who don't produce value. It's an incentive to not create value and a disincentive to do so. If you want to donate to people in need, feel free to do it, just don't force the e…

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