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Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by a2h »

jonquest wrote: post #60
bunfunton wrote: post #42

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Meth isn’t life destroying poison sorry to inform you. I take 10mg for ADHD a day and it’s saved my life when all other alternatives have failed. I would argue the bad cases you’ve seen are from people with no self control. Why should the government be able to tell you what you can and cannot put into your own body? Better, let people do what they want as long as they don’t hurt anybody else and educate them.

I challenge to do a google image search for faces of meth and come back and say that again with a straight face. That stuff is a poison that destroys both mind and body. If you think self control is enough to keep that stuff from rotting your face, making your hair fall out and keep yourself from going crazy you are foolish. Comparing it to ADHD medications is plain and simple stupid. If you think meth is the drug yo…

Perhaps they are talking about Desoxyn. FDA approved for treatment of ADHD. Not saying that it isn't bad but just pointing out there is a comparison to ADHD medications.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by dTal »

tchaffee wrote: post #51
dTal wrote: post #19

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No. We live in a society. If I'm expected to help pick up the pieces when you self-destruct, it's absolutely my business.

Then so is your diet and exercise regime my business. I also want to control who you spend time with (for your mental health) and what you consume for entertainment - there will be limits on what you can read and watch and how much. Alcohol is of course no longer ever an option, and many injury prone sports are also forbidden. At any point we predict you might commit a crime, we will jail you first to reduce the cost…

Thank you for at least engaging with what I actually said.

Obviously, you must balance the harm of the intervention itself with the harm that the intervention is trying to mitigate.

In fact many of your measures are already in place. Civilized society does control your diet, through food regulation. It controls what you watch to some extent - you'll have to go a bit out of your way to find sex and violence. Alcohol is indeed a restricted substance, and many injury-prone sports have been discontinued or modified to be safer, although some (like boxing) continue despite solid evidence of terrible cumulative injury - to great controversy. I'm not sure what you're going for with the pre-crime thing...

There's no need to equate "my business" with "draconian control".

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by jokethrowaway »

aristophenes wrote: post #16
antihero wrote: post #2

What a colossal waste of time. Prosecuting someone for selling online something that is illegal in a lot of states. Mindblowing how stupid the war on drugs is.

I can partially understand that point of view for marijuana (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference). But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Our government provides costly services for people who are incapable of taking care of themselves, and…

I think it would be great to remove social safety nets and a war on drugs.

Social safety nets are just forcefully taking money from people creating value in society, taking a fee to keep alive government bureaucrats, and give the rest to people who don't produce value. It's an incentive to not create value and a disincentive to do so.

If you want to donate to people in need, feel free to do it, just don't force the entire of society to do it.

The concept of controlled substances is ridiculous and I don't think it needs to be justified, unless you're a government shill who benefits from it or some authoritarian person who feel like they need to impose their values on everyone else.

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Post by wwright »

pmachinery wrote: post #52
blunte wrote: post #14

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There is considerable information back from the 80s to suggest that the US war on drugs was actually a system to enable racial discrimination. Then some years later, the ear on drugs became associated with the growth of the private prison industry and it's lobbyists. Indeed I provide no references here because it is quite an involved topic and difficult to prove given the publicly available information.

The motivation for fictitious wars against bogeymen is to empower and bankroll law enforcement while diminishing the civil rights of citizens. Like the war on terror, the decades long war on drugs has been a roaring success.

The war on terror and war on drugs are closely related enough (through expansion of powers and economic policies such as allowing police to purchase old military equipment) that I wonder if it’s worth even treating them as separate things.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by jokethrowaway »

aaomidi wrote: post #37
aristophenes wrote: post #16

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I can partially understand that point of view for marijuana (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference). But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Our government provides costly services for people who are incapable of taking care of themselves, and…

Civil disobedience is the strongest way of bringing change. We've used it as a tactic for decades and it's been the only reliable force for change. There is no reason for your representative to listen to you in America unless you throw a wrench in the gears.

Good luck getting generation smartphone to do something.

Like BLM protests proved, you will just get ex-felons robbing honest people and burning down buildings.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by jmnicolas »

sneak wrote: post #21
jmnicolas wrote: post #17

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> There's no victim. Literally nobody was harmed here. The IRS doesn't agree.

While the US spends the incredible quantities of tax money it does[1] waging neverending imperialistic war, there is a strong argument to be made that not giving the IRS money is the "least harm" option among the set of ("pay the IRS", "don't pay the IRS"). [1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_... (Spoiler alert: the US spends more on its military, per capita, than any country in the world…

The point I was trying to make is that you may see no harm as an individual, but the state has another viewpoint.

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Post by kingkawn »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #73
aristophenes wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can partially understand that point of view for marijuana (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference). But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Our government provides costly services for people who are incapable of taking care of themselves, and…

I think it would be great to remove social safety nets and a war on drugs. Social safety nets are just forcefully taking money from people creating value in society, taking a fee to keep alive government bureaucrats, and give the rest to people who don't produce value. It's an incentive to not create value and a disincentive to do so. If you want to donate to people in need, feel free to do it, just don't force the e…

Your position is fascism.

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Post by jasoneckert »

What I find the most interesting about this article is that someone was able to be identified using a picture of their fingerprints.

Thus, any photos posted online could be scoured for identification information. And with computer vision technologies becoming more mature, it means that regular video footage of people could identify them the same way in seconds or less using a wide variety of different visual traits.

The implications of this on individual privacy are immense.

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Post by jokethrowaway »

jmnicolas wrote: post #17
sneak wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no victim. Literally nobody was harmed here. "Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are, they should be changed." - Jimmy Carter, 39th President of the United States

> There's no victim. Literally nobody was harmed here. The IRS doesn't agree.

The more money the IRS get the more money they waste or use to increase inequality.

The US is already spending 13bln per day

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Post by jokethrowaway »

sneak wrote: post #23
HoveringOrb wrote: post #22

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If he was funding cartel activity by purchasing meth from Mexico, you can be sure that harm resulted (even before you get to the destruction that meth addiction causes).

The alternative of having a square job and funding the US military via compulsory tax payments kills and tortures an order of magnitude more people than the cartels, if you want to follow the money in this line of reasoning. Furthermore, the destruction caused by the individual use of meth cannot reasonably be attributed to anyone other than the person who willingly purchased, acquired, and ingested the substance wit…

The difference being that if you don't buy drugs online voluntarily you won't get jailed. If you don't pay your taxes you, eventually, will.

It's not moral to ask citizens to pay taxes, but it's not immoral to pay taxes: you do it because it's the least harmful option available to you.

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