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Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by sneak »

jmnicolas wrote: post #17
sneak wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no victim. Literally nobody was harmed here. "Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are, they should be changed." - Jimmy Carter, 39th President of the United States

> There's no victim. Literally nobody was harmed here. The IRS doesn't agree.

While the US spends the incredible quantities of tax money it does[1] waging neverending imperialistic war, there is a strong argument to be made that not giving the IRS money is the "least harm" option among the set of ("pay the IRS", "don't pay the IRS").

[1]: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_military_...

(Spoiler alert: the US spends more on its military, per capita, than any country in the world except Israel, and more than 2x as much as the next free, industrialized, developed country (Norway), and many multiples more than all other developed free countries.)

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by HoveringOrb »

sneak wrote: post #11
antihero wrote: post #2

What a colossal waste of time. Prosecuting someone for selling online something that is illegal in a lot of states. Mindblowing how stupid the war on drugs is.

There's no victim. Literally nobody was harmed here. "Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are, they should be changed." - Jimmy Carter, 39th President of the United States

If he was funding cartel activity by purchasing meth from Mexico, you can be sure that harm resulted (even before you get to the destruction that meth addiction causes).

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by sneak »

HoveringOrb wrote: post #22
sneak wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no victim. Literally nobody was harmed here. "Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are, they should be changed." - Jimmy Carter, 39th President of the United States

If he was funding cartel activity by purchasing meth from Mexico, you can be sure that harm resulted (even before you get to the destruction that meth addiction causes).

The alternative of having a square job and funding the US military via compulsory tax payments kills and tortures an order of magnitude more people than the cartels, if you want to follow the money in this line of reasoning.

Furthermore, the destruction caused by the individual use of meth cannot reasonably be attributed to anyone other than the person who willingly purchased, acquired, and ingested the substance with full consent.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by greenduck »

aristophenes wrote: post #16
antihero wrote: post #2

What a colossal waste of time. Prosecuting someone for selling online something that is illegal in a lot of states. Mindblowing how stupid the war on drugs is.

I can partially understand that point of view for marijuana (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference). But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Our government provides costly services for people who are incapable of taking care of themselves, and…

Sure, but purely from the side of pragmatism, throwing people in jail isn't effective either. Treating them compassionately and giving them help for their problem works much better.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by CincinnatiMan »

plutonorm wrote: post #13
johnwheeler wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He also had a prior felony, sold meth, sold Xanax, and had an Uzi. Not someone you’d want to date your daughter.

What people put into their bodies is their own business.

Not if it results in them becoming a burden on society, both financially and socially.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by darkmoney007 »

aristophenes wrote: post #16
antihero wrote: post #2

What a colossal waste of time. Prosecuting someone for selling online something that is illegal in a lot of states. Mindblowing how stupid the war on drugs is.

I can partially understand that point of view for marijuana (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference). But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Our government provides costly services for people who are incapable of taking care of themselves, and…

"Unless you also advocate for the removal of social safety nets"

Trump is actively defunding Social Security and other programs.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by ficklepickle »

heelix wrote: post #10
modin wrote: post #3

> The pictures included closeup pictures of Porras’ hand with visible fingerprint ridges. I thought via the title that they fingerprinted the lens used to take the photograph, not that there was literal pictures of fingers.

I strongly suspected that is what they did too. Got to wonder if they used the EXIF data to find him - linking photos of the pot and other social media/etc public shots, then used the fingerprints as parallel construction.

Imgur strips exif by default. I agree it sounds like parallel construction.

The article mentions they compared his finger prints to those from the picture. How did they know to check against his prints? Sounds like they already knew who it was, by means that aren't admissible as evidence.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by daniellarusso »

heelix wrote: post #10
modin wrote: post #3

> The pictures included closeup pictures of Porras’ hand with visible fingerprint ridges. I thought via the title that they fingerprinted the lens used to take the photograph, not that there was literal pictures of fingers.

I strongly suspected that is what they did too. Got to wonder if they used the EXIF data to find him - linking photos of the pot and other social media/etc public shots, then used the fingerprints as parallel construction.

It was interesting the amount of redactions in the documents and the plea deal, as well as law enforcement operating as the launderer.

I, too, thought parallel construction.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by optimalsolver »

plutonorm wrote: post #13
johnwheeler wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He also had a prior felony, sold meth, sold Xanax, and had an Uzi. Not someone you’d want to date your daughter.

What people put into their bodies is their own business.

And what their daughters put into their bodies are their daughters' own business.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by johnwheeler »

henearkr wrote: post #20
johnwheeler wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you say. I’m not obliged to agree with what you think should be legal or illegal.

This has nothing to do with an abstract notion of morality. In our society, we look out for each other, if somebody is in distress, e.g. hurt on the side of the road, we help him, call an ambulance, he gets medical help. The fact that society makes huge efforts to save and cure people requiring medical attention, is at the root of the taboo on substances (or behaviors) that are unhealthy. Otherwise that would be a pu…

Yes, this is correct. I also don’t want my children to take drugs, and when you make things widely available, people use them more. You don’t have to look further than the opioid crisis to see that.
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