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Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by tchaffee »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #106
tchaffee wrote: post #63

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Then you should waste your own personal money on it. It has made the problem worse. The illegal drug trade to the US is now almost as big as big oil. It's an industry in the hundreds of $ billions. This type of thinking has created millions of addicts in the USA along with helping make many very rich and powerful criminals globally.

The two aren't mutually exclusive. I support drug legalization and regulation(for many drugs. Methamphetamine and strong opioids like carbofentanyl shouldn't be legal IMO). I also think that cartel activity and drug distribution by ex-felons should not be supported. Drug enforcement wouldn't go away if drugs were legalized and regulated.

> Methamphetamine and strong opioids like carbofentanyl shouldn't be legal IMO

I'm not sure how your personal opinion adds anything to the conversation? Please at least explain your reasoning to move the conversation along.

Addiction is a medical problem, not a legal problem. You are wasting my hard earned tax dollars by using the legal system to fix a medical problem.

> I also think that cartel activity and drug distribution by ex-felons should not be supported.

Well yes, making all recreational drugs legal and easy enough to get through your doctor (or other legal sources) would completely eliminate that.

> Drug enforcement wouldn't go away if drugs were legalized and regulated.

I don't think anyone made that claim? How many criminal cases are there these days around alcohol sales and purchase via dark net? How many people thrown in $$$ expensive jail for five years for selling alcohol to another adult? How many criminals are getting rich and powerful thanks to alcohol sales?

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by ubercow13 »

jokethrowaway wrote: post #97
kingkawn wrote: post #77

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Your position is fascism.

No, it's the opposite of fascism. It's voluntarism or anarchy. Fascism is a totalitarian authoritarian political doctrine where the state is strong. I want a weak (or, even better, non existent) state and a society based on voluntary transactions and not on taxes taken under the threat of violence.

What's to stop a mafia appearing who takes taxes under threat of violence, if there is no state to stop them? Anarchism always seems like utopic nonsense to me. Something like, 'I don't like being told what to do, so we should get rid of the state and as long as everyone promises not to tell each other what to do, it will be great'. If there is no state, there is a power vacuum. There is a reason why power vacuums are quickly filled.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by minot »

aristophenes wrote: post #16
antihero wrote: post #2

What a colossal waste of time. Prosecuting someone for selling online something that is illegal in a lot of states. Mindblowing how stupid the war on drugs is.

I can partially understand that point of view for marijuana (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference). But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Our government provides costly services for people who are incapable of taking care of themselves, and…

I think you're falling in the same trap I fell in when I was watching jackass thinking: how is it fair that someone willingly puts their body in danger and we have to pick up the tab when they get injured and hospitalized.

News flash: we already pay for these things because emergency rooms can't ask for payment before delivering life preserving treatment. Also, we already pay for a lack of social safety net by paying for the cost to put so many people behind bars not to mention an unhinged law enforcement that refers to the population as civilians and has a motto like "protect and serve" while going to the supreme Court to get a ruling that the police has no duty to protect.

Of course, the government should try to limit drug distribution and sales. For example, we will still need strict labeling requirements. Unlabeled, improperly labeled, and unsafe storage conditions should be against the law. But it helps nobody to put anyone in prison for personal drug possession* or drug use.

*Assuming they are not selling/distributing improperly labeled controlled substances.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by CJefferson »

animationwill wrote: post #129
znpy wrote: post #108

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That's not "considerable information", that's a known fact. Adam Conove made a whole episode in his show, "Adam ruins everything", about the true reasons why weed is illegal. Link: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sXPOw2unxy0 Spoiler: it's about giving the government of the US a tool to discriminate black people and mexicans.

I'll have to watch Adam's episode, but I watched a Netflix documentary five years ago (don't recall the name) that presented the argument that it was primarily the (cotton?) industry that lobbied to classify weed as illegal, because they wanted to destroy the hemp industry (and succeeded) as they were producing clothing. So it sounds like original bad intent (destroy competition) led to it being abused for further ba…

I'm going to be honest, the argument that hemp is a generally great material has always seemed weak to me. There are plenty of countries where growing hemp is legal, and it still never seems to get much use.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by TheAdamAndChe »

tchaffee wrote: post #130
TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #120

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There are large social impacts to lots of individuals choosing to alter their brain chemistry, just as there would be large impacts from distributing explosives. Individuals don't live in a vacuum.

Well yes there are. We have seen that with both alcohol and sugar. And with alcohol we have seen how horribly wrong it goes when you try to treat a medical problem - addiction - by using the legal system. It doesn't work.

Your comment implies that most people drink alcohol because of addiction, which isn't the case. Most people drink it for novelty or entertainment.

Addiction isn't the only reason people take drugs, so only addressing or dissuading addiction wouldn't fix the social problems that arise from ubiquitous drug use.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by unnouinceput »

non-entity wrote: post #119
ourmandave wrote: post #100

There's useful links at the bottom of the page, like the Darknet Market's Noobs Bible. =) Hello and welcome to the Darknetmarkets bible for buyers. The buyer's DNM bible aims to be a complete guide that covers all steps that users have to take in order to buy securely from darknetmarkets. In case you're thinking about launching your criminal career or whatever.

In what world does purchasing from a DNM make you a career criminal? What if I buy a completely legal item?

None. Doubt you find legal items there though. Maybe you find legal items in some parts but illegal in others, like marijuana is now in US. Better have all papers prepared to prove you made the purchase in a legal state though.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by mschwaig »

zapdrive wrote: post #123
mschwaig wrote: post #103

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> The FDL [HSI Forensic Document Laboratory] returned the request after conducting a comparative analysis of the friction ridge detail of the fingerprints from the Imgur album and the fingerprint samples taken after police had arrested Porras for a different crime. The fingerprints in the Imgur album matched the prints they already had on file for Porras. It doesn't sound like that to me, but maybe I am misunderstand…

It doesn't say they arrested him immediately after the match. If you read the article they say they placed multiple orders and would surveill him after every order. That's how they gathered evidence.

I did read the article. I am interested in how forensic evicende like that is gathered in general and how reliable it is in general. It's debatable what role that fingerprint played in that investigation, but I did not want to call into question that particular outcome.

For example my impression is that DNA evidence is very reliable while for example optically matching hairs or matching bite marks, which I think was done in the past in a similar 'does A match B setup' is fairly unreliable.

It's interesting to me both from both the 'what bar does evidence have to meet to make sure there are no false convictions' side as well as the 'what are the privacy implications of posting pictures with fingerprints in them' side.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by umvi »

bunfunton wrote: post #42
aristophenes wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can partially understand that point of view for marijuana (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference). But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Our government provides costly services for people who are incapable of taking care of themselves, and…

Meth isn’t life destroying poison sorry to inform you. I take 10mg for ADHD a day and it’s saved my life when all other alternatives have failed. I would argue the bad cases you’ve seen are from people with no self control. Why should the government be able to tell you what you can and cannot put into your own body? Better, let people do what they want as long as they don’t hurt anybody else and educate them.

"self control" is a nearly meaningless phrase when used in the same sentence as drugs

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by gruez »

3131s wrote: post #99
hunter2_ wrote: post #92

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I wouldn't be surprised if writing style could also be used. I tend to use certain constructions and vocabulary across many of my comments. Some are under a handle with little or no link to my real identity, and some are quite the opposite. I expect someone could deanonymize the former based on correlation of writing style with the latter.

That's called stylometry and it can be surprisingly accurate under the right conditions.

What’s the actual scientific evidence backing this? I’m asking because various forensic techniques that were previously perceived to be reliable (fingerprints, handwriting analysis, bite marks) turned out to be total bunk.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by slim »

jasoneckert wrote: post #78

What I find the most interesting about this article is that someone was able to be identified using a picture of their fingerprints. Thus, any photos posted online could be scoured for identification information. And with computer vision technologies becoming more mature, it means that regular video footage of people could identify them the same way in seconds or less using a wide variety of different visual traits.…

this is not news. in 2008 CCC published finger prints of Angela Merkel

https://www.wired.com/2008/03/hackers-publish/

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