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Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by Synaesthesia » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 1:12 PM UTC

blunte wrote: post #14

antihero wrote: post #2

What a colossal waste of time. Prosecuting someone for selling online something that is illegal in a lot of states. Mindblowing how stupid the war on drugs is.

There is considerable information back from the 80s to suggest that the US war on drugs was actually a system to enable racial discrimination. Then some years later, the ear on drugs became associated with the growth of the private prison industry and it's lobbyists. Indeed I provide no references here because it is quite an involved topic and difficult to prove given the publicly available information.

The war on drugs makes no sense, it should in fact be called the war on some drugs. So called illegal drugs like cocaine and marijuana cause very few deaths, compared to tobacco and alcohol, less than 1% It has been established that the best way to reduce drug abuse is through education and support, this was in fact from a RAND study. The militant policing approach has not in fact reduced drug use in the USA.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by Synaesthesia » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 1:13 PM UTC

bunfunton wrote: post #42

aristophenes wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can partially understand that point of view for marijuana (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference). But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Our government provides costly services for people who are incapable of taking care of themselves, and…

Meth isn’t life destroying poison sorry to inform you. I take 10mg for ADHD a day and it’s saved my life when all other alternatives have failed. I would argue the bad cases you’ve seen are from people with no self control. Why should the government be able to tell you what you can and cannot put into your own body? Better, let people do what they want as long as they don’t hurt anybody else and educate them.

It certainly can be good, it can also be a harmful addictive drug.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by Mirioron » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 1:13 PM UTC

blunte wrote: post #14

antihero wrote: post #2

What a colossal waste of time. Prosecuting someone for selling online something that is illegal in a lot of states. Mindblowing how stupid the war on drugs is.

There is considerable information back from the 80s to suggest that the US war on drugs was actually a system to enable racial discrimination. Then some years later, the ear on drugs became associated with the growth of the private prison industry and it's lobbyists. Indeed I provide no references here because it is quite an involved topic and difficult to prove given the publicly available information.

Didn't the war on drugs grow out of prohibition though? It's kind of odd to think that a lot of common drugs were commercially available 150 years ago. One of the most popular soft drinks ever started from that even.

We also got anesthetics from the general availability of drugs. I doubt doctors would've tried using cocaine on patients if it had been illegal back then.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by Regenschirm » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 1:15 PM UTC

aristophenes wrote: post #16

antihero wrote: post #2

What a colossal waste of time. Prosecuting someone for selling online something that is illegal in a lot of states. Mindblowing how stupid the war on drugs is.

I can partially understand that point of view for marijuana (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference). But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Our government provides costly services for people who are incapable of taking care of themselves, and…

Thats just not how it works and never will.

Our society should prevent stupid things / unknown things. Like lead paint.

And for everything else it should make sure people from themselvs are aware of the risks and should have options which are more favoriable then drugs.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by sneak » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 1:15 PM UTC

aristophenes wrote: post #16

antihero wrote: post #2

What a colossal waste of time. Prosecuting someone for selling online something that is illegal in a lot of states. Mindblowing how stupid the war on drugs is.

I can partially understand that point of view for marijuana (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference). But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Our government provides costly services for people who are incapable of taking care of themselves, and…

> But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison.

Indeed, and if you feel this way, perhaps you should seek penalties against those who actually wrought the destruction: the people who put that methamphetamine into human bodies, where it does the harm.

I think you'll find that those people who hold the ultimate responsibility for this destructive act were destroying property that entirely belonged to them (to preserve or destroy as they please).

If we don't have the right to own and control our own bodies, the only thing in the world that totally unambiguously belongs to us, we have no meaningful rights to own or control anything.

At such a point (which is where we seem to be), they're not rights that are being respected, simply privileges temporarily afforded by the state to be revoked arbitrarily.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by TheAdamAndChe » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 1:16 PM UTC

sumedh wrote: post #105

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #86

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This guy also sold a neurotoxic addictive stimulant(methamphetamine), supported Mexican cartels by doing so, and had guns while being an ex-felon.

> This guy also sold a neurotoxic addictive stimulant(methamphetamine) So should alcohol manufacturers and bartenders be thrown in jail as well?

There is no widespread, easily producable alternative to alcohol. Prohibition is ended not because the drug isn't bad, but because it's truly trivial to make it, making enforcement impossible.

Meth has several good alternatives just as easy to manufacture(for big companies with the right precursors) that aren't neurotoxic. Think adderall, methylphenidate, modafinil, etc. Those bring the stimulation without destroying your brain.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by tchaffee » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 1:18 PM UTC

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #85

bunfunton wrote: post #57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I personally don’t want somebody supplying goods to customers who want them, coming together in a consensual transaction jailed. Where one person then decides to alter their own brain chemistry with their own consent. 5 years not long? Ok.

By that logic, would you be okay with people supplying random people with tons of explosive? I mean, it's supplying goods to customers who want them.

> Where one person then decides to alter their own brain chemistry

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by achairapart » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 1:18 PM UTC

jasoneckert wrote: post #78

What I find the most interesting about this article is that someone was able to be identified using a picture of their fingerprints. Thus, any photos posted online could be scoured for identification information. And with computer vision technologies becoming more mature, it means that regular video footage of people could identify them the same way in seconds or less using a wide variety of different visual traits.…

Facial recognition would be much easier then looking for fingerprints. Given all the social media apps steadily growing their datasets, won't be long before a leaked dump of a greater part of the whole world population data will be available to anyone. Maybe facial surgery will be a major thing in the future. Or we will all wear masks anytime, beside viruses.

I know, that's not a bright vision of the future. I wonder where is the line where technology will switch from useful to socially dangerous and how far we are from it. To tell the truth, it already kind of switched from useful to a useless waste of time in many cases.

Or the day when FAANG & other big tech will get bored with selling those stupid ads and move on to more powerful and scary things.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by non-entity » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 1:19 PM UTC

ourmandave wrote: post #100

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In what world does purchasing from a DNM make you a career criminal? What if I buy a completely legal item?

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by TheAdamAndChe » Sun, Sep 20, 2020, 1:21 PM UTC

tchaffee wrote: post #117

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

By that logic, would you be okay with people supplying random people with tons of explosive? I mean, it's supplying goods to customers who want them.

> Where one person then decides to alter their own brain chemistry

There are large social impacts to lots of individuals choosing to alter their brain chemistry, just as there would be large impacts from distributing explosives. Individuals don't live in a vacuum.