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Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by tchaffee »

aristophenes wrote: post #16
antihero wrote: post #2

What a colossal waste of time. Prosecuting someone for selling online something that is illegal in a lot of states. Mindblowing how stupid the war on drugs is.

I can partially understand that point of view for marijuana (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference). But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Our government provides costly services for people who are incapable of taking care of themselves, and…

Prohibition doesn't work for meth or heroin either. Making them freely available under doctor supervision is what works. Switzerland did it and an out of control heroin problem went away and especially important, usage among young people plummeted. Yes it costs money to treat a medical problem. It costs way more money to treat medical problems as something else. Let's go with the most effective solution even if "free and legal heroin" upsets some people's morals.

Also consider that methamphetamine is not "life destroying poison". Addiction is the medical condition that destroys lives. Methamphetamine and similar drugs are also prescribed for medical conditions where they help people. Focusing on the substance is just more drug war propaganda.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by bunfunton »

aristophenes wrote: post #16
antihero wrote: post #2

What a colossal waste of time. Prosecuting someone for selling online something that is illegal in a lot of states. Mindblowing how stupid the war on drugs is.

I can partially understand that point of view for marijuana (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference). But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Our government provides costly services for people who are incapable of taking care of themselves, and…

Meth isn’t life destroying poison sorry to inform you. I take 10mg for ADHD a day and it’s saved my life when all other alternatives have failed. I would argue the bad cases you’ve seen are from people with no self control. Why should the government be able to tell you what you can and cannot put into your own body? Better, let people do what they want as long as they don’t hurt anybody else and educate them.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by syspec »

dTal wrote: post #19
plutonorm wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

What people put into their bodies is their own business.

No. We live in a society. If I'm expected to help pick up the pieces when you self-destruct, it's absolutely my business.

You're doing that right now, with your tax dollars. It cost $81,203 _per year_ to house just one inmate in California[0].

I understand punishing sellers, but I think the punishments for drug charges (and most charges in the US), are so draconian. 1 Year in prison for this guy should be enough. From what I've heard, prison is terrible, people do not want to spend 1 day in prison.

There is absolutely nothing he will learn in year 3, or year 4, or year 5, that will make him a better person when he comes out.

"Tough on crime" and "war on drugs" are just two huge mistakes we have made that we cannot retract, because it is politically unpopular to do so.

[0] https://lao.ca.gov/policyareas/cj/6_cj_inmatecost

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by jh86 »

non-entity wrote: post #34
aristophenes wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I can partially understand that point of view for marijuana (though I think it’s important for a functional society to obey laws, and get them changed if they aren’t working instead of just breaking them based on personal preference). But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Our government provides costly services for people who are incapable of taking care of themselves, and…

> But the guy had been selling methamphetamine too, which is life destroying poison. Time to arrest the liquor store owners?

And don’t forget bartenders!

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by bunfunton »

mixologic wrote: post #6
antihero wrote: post #2

What a colossal waste of time. Prosecuting someone for selling online something that is illegal in a lot of states. Mindblowing how stupid the war on drugs is.

Yeah, weed really shouldnt be a priority, and should be legalized nationwide, but... ```Canna_Bars, on Hansa, advertised pounds of methamphetamine. In the description of the product, Porras had claimed the methamphetamine came “direct from Mexico.”``` So, defintely not legal anywhere, nor is mass distribution of meth really something that is of benefit to anybody but the cartels he bought it from.

It’s a benefit for me. Meth is the only thing that treats my adhd without horrible side effects. 10mg / day orally. I can’t afford the outragous out of pocket price for desoxyn per month. Moreover, after initially being prescribed it and having great results, after moving I can’t find any psychiatrist willing to prescribe it because they are all terrified of the DEA. Thus I and many other stigmatized people directly benefit from cheap pure meth on the street. Thanks for reading about this casualty of the drug war.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by Kiro »

TheAdamAndChe wrote: post #35
johnwheeler wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He also had a prior felony, sold meth, sold Xanax, and had an Uzi. Not someone you’d want to date your daughter.

The Uzi was a semi-automatic. It wouldn't be any more dangerous than your typical Glock, but would be bigger and heavier. He's still a felon carrying a gun which is bad, but it's not worse than any other gun.

For someone outside the US your comment sounds so alien.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by ajkdhcb2 »

HoveringOrb wrote: post #22
sneak wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no victim. Literally nobody was harmed here. "Penalties against possession of a drug should not be more damaging to an individual than the use of the drug itself; and where they are, they should be changed." - Jimmy Carter, 39th President of the United States

If he was funding cartel activity by purchasing meth from Mexico, you can be sure that harm resulted (even before you get to the destruction that meth addiction causes).

If drugs were legal there wouldnt any cartel activity associated with it, maybe no powerful cartels at all, so this is stupid logic

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by syspec »

heavenlyblue wrote: post #5
antihero wrote: post #2

What a colossal waste of time. Prosecuting someone for selling online something that is illegal in a lot of states. Mindblowing how stupid the war on drugs is.

They have seized 30M in cash which means they will be able to fund their department with that cash. If taxpayers don’t fund the police, the police funds itself.

I'm super sure, that is exactly how play out......

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by grumple »

johnnyfaehell wrote: post #39
johnwheeler wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He also had a prior felony, sold meth, sold Xanax, and had an Uzi. Not someone you’d want to date your daughter.

I guess the thing is, if drugs were legal the chances are lots of drug dealers would be doing some other crime. There are obivously drug dealers that sell just to pay for their own drug usage. But there are lots and lots are in it for the money and choose crime because it's easy to get into.

Other types of crime require crimes against people. I know easily dozens of people who have dealt drugs, half of them are small women, and none of them would hurt anyone or commit other crimes. Your argument is unsupported by evidence.

Re: Dream Vendor "Canna_Bars" Sentenced to Prison

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Post by bunfunton »

johnwheeler wrote: post #30
henearkr wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This has nothing to do with an abstract notion of morality. In our society, we look out for each other, if somebody is in distress, e.g. hurt on the side of the road, we help him, call an ambulance, he gets medical help. The fact that society makes huge efforts to save and cure people requiring medical attention, is at the root of the taboo on substances (or behaviors) that are unhealthy. Otherwise that would be a pu…

Yes, this is correct. I also don’t want my children to take drugs, and when you make things widely available, people use them more. You don’t have to look further than the opioid crisis to see that.

So perhaps you should teach them not to use drugs instead of trying to control what other people are allowed to put into their own bodies.
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