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Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by clairity »

nyokodo wrote: post #715
goldcd wrote: post #585

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Was so lovely after reading the article, that the point that stuck with me, aligned with your comment right at the top. Maybe there's some sort of new "non-denominational creed" we could all sign up for. ~" We may not agree but I will always listen to you. I will always consider your opinion with respect and will endeavour to understand your reasoning. My views are not set - my goal is to listen to arguments to come…

This is a key aspect of the struggle of civilization and not utopian at all. If we hope to change anyone's mind and reach a level of social consensus on anything then it's imperative we make a safe space for everyone to think and have civil discourse. Knee jerk recriminations for essentially thinking is the recipe for entrenchment of positions and pushing people to the margins where they are more likely to mix with e…

it's not just about listening to ideas. if it were that easy, we'd already be more socially cohesive. it's about subtler things like real empathy, where you can actually see and follow the chain of reason someone takes to get to a position, however outlandish you think that is at the outset. it's about holding contradictory ideas in your head at the same time, constantly, about everything, rather than retreating into your warm and cozy ideological corner at every dissonance.

but it's also about not simply giving in to the outlandish because you want to create a safe space. that means calling someone out for what is usually some form of aggression without alienating or offending, putting real social capital on the line, and requiring self-restraint, courage, a bit of charisma, and more.

and then you have media organizations like npr itself, nytimes, and twitter actively trying to play both sides, instigating while also trying to claim the moral high ground, feeding divisiveness.

it's hard, and takes active, willful effort from (nearly) everyone.

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Post by draw_down »

notafraudster wrote: post #156
alex_young wrote: post #122

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There would seem to be precedent for this now. Justice Antonin Scalia died in February of 2016, a replacement was nominated in March of 2016, and because Scalia's seat had become vacant during an election year, the Senate would not even consider a nomination from the president [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland_Supreme_Court_...

McConnell immediately clarified his position was "the Senate shouldn't consider a nomination in an election year if it's controlled by my party and the president isn't in my party" -- no kidding, this was his actual clarification.

Guys, politicians care about POWER. Not your little “well what about this” gotchas or airy ideals of evenhandedness and fair play, power. Power power power.

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Post by marcusverus »

michaelmrose wrote: post #717
RickJWagner wrote: post #565

RBG was also the voice of reason when Justice Kavanaugh was under attack by an unhinged mob. She truly could see beyond politics, and will be missed by both sides of the aisle.

I really don't believe legitimate criticism is problematic and it is very problematic to call people who speak out an "unhinged mob" Karanaugh's interesting interpretation of the law is enough to give him a hard pass but he also lied under oath.

>Karanaugh's interesting interpretation of the law is enough to give him a hard pass but he also lied under oath.

Source?

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Post by bvinc »

WhompingWindows wrote: post #318

Why are there life-terms on the Supreme Court? Doesn't that incentivize the justices to hold on past their prime, dying waiting for a new president or resigning in a politically motivated fashion? And don't life terms create a race to the bottom where younger justices are favored for longer remaining life? Why not 20 year limits?

Lifetime tenure is supposed to make them impartial and free from political pressure.

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Post by chub500 »

tyre wrote: post #313
jamiequint wrote: post #207

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Hillary won the popular vote by 1.1% and currently the Republicans hold a razor thin Senate majority and have been substantially outpaced by Democrats in the House, so I'm not really sure where you get the idea that there's a "far disproportionate share of power/representation". It seems pretty proportionate to me.

You look at the core beliefs of the Republican Party: Anti-Abortion: about or above sixty percent of Americans support legal abortions Climate change: two thirds of Americans view it as a top priority and that the benefits of action outweigh the costs Guns: sixty percent to two-thirds of Americans support stricter gun control. 90–92% support mandatory background checks Taxing Wealthy: again, sixty percent to two thir…

I know many people who vote Republican only because of abortion. The fact is that pro-life people see this as the greatest injustice of our society by a wide margin. The left is motivated by BLM and the right is by pro-life.

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Post by robertoandred »

neverartful wrote: post #687
tootie wrote: post #144

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Precedent means nothing. There's no law. Mcconnell just abused his power and will do so again with no regard for his past position.

Did you view it as an abuse of power when Harry Reid invoked the 'nuclear option' on filibuster?

Did you view it as an abuse of power when Republicans filibustered Obama's nominees, making the nuclear option the only option?

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Post by mcphage »

ekianjo wrote: post #755
mcphage wrote: post #713

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How many people from this administration ended up in jail? And how many from the last? You can feel whatever you want, but the math isn’t in your favor.

How many people were killed by wars started in the previous administration? I'll let you ponder on that.

That would be 0.

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Post by Auracle »

knightofmars wrote: post #813
blhack wrote: post #780

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I'm curious: does anybody seriously think that if the positions were reversed that the Democrats would honor this? Let's say that Biden wins, then Trump runs against him again in 2024. Somebody dies or retires right before the election, do you think the democrats would seriously wait and risk allowing the nomination to be done by Trump? None of these people are in any way signaling their actual virtues. It's all just…

Possibly. There is a level of accountability that seems to happen with the Democratic party. Not to say absolutely but it has happened. https://www.vox.com/2018/5/21/17352230/al-franken-accusation...

Throwing one of your own under the bus for political reasons isn’t what I’d call accountability.
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