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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Absolutely. My family is feverishly working on how to leave this hellscape of a country we’re in. The United States is dead.

Out of curiosity, where are you heading?

Somewhere you are taxed more?

Somewhere with more illegal immigration?

Somewhere your children are less safe from predators?

Yeah, thought not. You don't realize how good a country you live in. There are several billion who would trade their family's place with yours.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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post #566

For those so certain that the Republican Senate is going to ram though someone, there are a few moderates left, and they've already decided thing can wait until after the election: "So far the following GOP Senators have pledged that they will not consider a Supreme Court appointment until after the next inauguration. Susan Collins Chuck Grassley Lisa Murkowski" [0]: https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1307115333669580…

not exactly reliable opponents

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

McConnell immediately clarified his position was "the Senate shouldn't consider a nomination in an election year if it's controlled by my party and the president isn't in my party" -- no kidding, this was his actual clarification.

And he just cited the position Joseph Biden asserted in 1992, no kidding: https://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/23/us/politics/joe-biden-arg...

So we are in agreement. Trump should not appoint.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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post #566

For those so certain that the Republican Senate is going to ram though someone, there are a few moderates left, and they've already decided thing can wait until after the election: "So far the following GOP Senators have pledged that they will not consider a Supreme Court appointment until after the next inauguration. Susan Collins Chuck Grassley Lisa Murkowski" [0]: https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1307115333669580…

When push comes to shove, republicans fall in line.

Susan Collins will go on record saying she thinks trump jr is just too good of a candidate to not accept the nomination, and that'll be the end of it

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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post #617

Go back 10 years and as apathetic as voters were in much of the developed world, I had a hard time envisioning how these democracies/republics could fall. Boy was I naive. There was a time in the US that as bitter as partisan politics could be there seemed to be a level of decency on both sides and a higher loyalty to the institutions of our government. Nixon resigned in disgrace because it became clear even his own…

All the baggage you speak of was entirely unproven, and unprovable since they were 30 year old accusations.

All this in an election year where there was hope that maybe Republicans wouldn't have the votes afterwards.

That seems more towards corruption than legal proceedings to me.

Note during the last year of Obama the democrats did not have the majority, so it's not really a fair comparison (what McConnell did would have been impossible otherwise). But still, this is a norm, not a law, in the same way that, with or without another Trump nomination, Biden could legally appoint justices until he has the majority. There's no law unfortunately setting the size to 9.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

#696

This won’t happen. I’m a reasonable person and happy to change my mind with evidence, and don’t say this lightly, but the republicans do not give a crud about any of this. They are the most conniving and soulless individuals that exist. This is coming from a recent former republican. I miss George Will’s Republican party.

that's funny, because I feel that the DNC is the most soulless, vicious, corrupt and generally awful human beings there are.

You’re of course welcome to your opinion, and welcome to make the opinion the exact opposite of mine to try to mock the situation. That says a lot of negative things about your character.

Nevertheless, my opinion is based on the recent history of the current makeup of the Republican Party and their deplorable actions. I’m sure you can find something to disagree with on the DNC side, but that’s not the point. People can reasonably and strongly disagree and still work with one another and respect one another’s goals. The gulf between this and where the current Republican Party is may as well be an ocean. This is the party of Trump, a fake gold veneer on rusted metal.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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post #97

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I'm somewhat curious how much deference and respect the administration will grant her. Basically how many days before they start pitching their nominee. Edit: Fwiw, the RBG movie about her is on Hulu now.

They already pitched nominees because they knew she was dying. So zero respect. https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/zoetillman/trump-suprem...

lol they are just being efficient, finally for once in government i might add. If you know a product is going to fail sometime in the near future, you will have teams working to make a replacement or a fix. No one is just going to leave that spot open forever

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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post #615

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There is no reason to 'other' people like this. Parties are things that people adhere to, some for a season, some for a lifetime, but they reflect very little about their worth as human beings. I come from a large family and we represent the whole spectrum of political beliefs, in a single generation, and all my sibs are equally kind and selfless, regardless of their political affiliation.

I think they were referring to the elected Republicans, not lay people. I'd be curious to know which elected (R) Senator/Congressperson you would consider kind and selfless.

Yes, that’s what I meant, I should have been more clear.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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post #33
post #8

Of course a president should not appoint a judge on the last few months of his term, should he?

He ideally should be able to, as long as the correct procedures are followed. Republicans, however, set the precedent by not allowing Obama to appoint one in his last year in office. My money, however, is on them ramming someone through anyways.

What’s it worth? Ishtar lose the majority and possibly a couple seats? I think they take that, they have no ground to stand on the social issues alone.

It’s sad how many justices will be on the court, appointed by men that didn’t win the popular vote

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He ideally should be able to, as long as the correct procedures are followed. Republicans, however, set the precedent by not allowing Obama to appoint one in his last year in office. My money, however, is on them ramming someone through anyways.

> He ideally should be able to, as long as the correct procedures are followed. Part of that procedure is having your party in charge of the Senate at the time of said nomination. Obama did nominate someone, he simply could not get him confirmed. That's on Obama (and Democrats more generally). Trump will also nominate someone, and because his party has a majority in the Senate, that nominee will likely be confirmed w…

Where does this end? What keeps this principle from extending to a President's entire term, as opposed to just the last year? If Democrats ever retake the Senate, why should they ever hold hearings for a single Republican judicial appointment, let alone confirm one? Should judicial appointments just sit vacant until president and Senate are from the same party?

I think it's a perversion of the "advice and consent" language from the Constitution for the Senate to simply stonewall a nomination process until they get the President they want.

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