Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died • Hacker News Board

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by sudosysgen » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:02 AM UTC

p1necone wrote: post #634

3131s wrote: post #303

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you are not an American it's hard to understand the extent to which there is a cultural vortex where everything around you feels manufactured. I left seven years ago and now live in a terrible third-world dictatorship actually. It's not that America is so bad to live in (if you have some money), but that things should be much better for young people especially and the justifications for why it can't be better are…

I see this on HN all the time - there will be some discussion about a problem that America has, and some one will suggest some solution. And then there'll be resounding cries of "that's impossible, too expensive, can't be done etc", but the suggested solution is something that > 50% of other western nations already do and there's plenty of evidence for it's effectiveness.

And often, implementing that solution is much cheaper than inaction, and people still complain about cost.

Except when the solution is war.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:03 AM UTC

notafraudster wrote: post #156

alex_young wrote: post #122

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There would seem to be precedent for this now. Justice Antonin Scalia died in February of 2016, a replacement was nominated in March of 2016, and because Scalia's seat had become vacant during an election year, the Senate would not even consider a nomination from the president [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland_Supreme_Court_...

McConnell immediately clarified his position was "the Senate shouldn't consider a nomination in an election year if it's controlled by my party and the president isn't in my party" -- no kidding, this was his actual clarification.

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by tomcat27 » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:04 AM UTC

Trump will win! sorry.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by snuxoll » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:04 AM UTC

mrkstu wrote: post #566

For those so certain that the Republican Senate is going to ram though someone, there are a few moderates left, and they've already decided thing can wait until after the election: "So far the following GOP Senators have pledged that they will not consider a Supreme Court appointment until after the next inauguration. Susan Collins Chuck Grassley Lisa Murkowski" [0]: https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1307115333669580…

Like anyone can take Collins at her word anymore.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by erikpukinskis » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:04 AM UTC

goldcd wrote: post #585

stickyricky wrote: post #37

I think reading about Ruth and Antonin Scalia's friendship was the most wholesome political reading I've ever done. Hearing people divided in opinion, but not bitterly so, working together to figure out the best framework to construct American society from was inspirational. I hope the two halves of the political world can become friends in the way they were. Rest in peace Ruth. I hope if there's an after you and Ant…

Was so lovely after reading the article, that the point that stuck with me, aligned with your comment right at the top. Maybe there's some sort of new "non-denominational creed" we could all sign up for. ~" We may not agree but I will always listen to you. I will always consider your opinion with respect and will endeavour to understand your reasoning. My views are not set - my goal is to listen to arguments to come…

I’m probably gonna do it. I’m not sure I could do the other thing... if the world burns, at least I burn in her camp. I’m ok with that. I’m excited you might be there too!

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by athms » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:05 AM UTC

lliamander wrote: post #495

tyre wrote: post #86

For every one of the coming takes that Republicans will be hypocrites to appoint and confirm a justice (which they will) They do not give a fuck. That’s not how they see power and it is why they have a far disproportionate share of power/representation than their support across the electorate. This is about power. In politics, nothing else matters.

Do not make the mistake of thinking the politicians who represent you are particularly principled people. The left has been talking about stacking the supreme court since Kavanaugh. Democratic senators played games with the filibuster. There are plenty of other examples of weaponizing politics that I could cite (from both sides). I would like to see Senate Republicans show some fair play and wait for after the electi…

>The left has been talking about stacking the supreme court since Kavanaugh.

Considering the court has had a Republican majority since 1989, I don't blame them.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by sudosysgen » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:05 AM UTC

lutorm wrote: post #569

organsnyder wrote: post #518

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Given how broadly the United States exerts influence around the world, I feel obligated to stay and work to make things better.

You can still vote even as an expat...

Voting is a very tiny part of what needs to be done to actually fix this mess. Voting alone can never fix these kinds of issues.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by [deleted] » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:07 AM UTC

mrkstu wrote: post #566

For those so certain that the Republican Senate is going to ram though someone, there are a few moderates left, and they've already decided thing can wait until after the election: "So far the following GOP Senators have pledged that they will not consider a Supreme Court appointment until after the next inauguration. Susan Collins Chuck Grassley Lisa Murkowski" [0]: https://twitter.com/yashar/status/1307115333669580…

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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by aj7 » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:07 AM UTC

throwaway6000 wrote: post #375

"BREAKING: Trump will quickly pick a replacement for Justice Ginsburg, and Sen. Mitch McConnell & the Republican-controlled Senate will move to confirm his nominee,creating a new political flashpoint in election while firing up evangelicals & shoring up GOP base and vote for Trump"

I like the unintended consequences of this. But maybe I’m shortsighted.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by phobosanomaly » Sat, Sep 19, 2020, 2:07 AM UTC

newfriend wrote: post #480

phobosanomaly wrote: post #269

Due to a really old technicality in our electoral system, we keep putting people in the presidency that the American people didn't actually vote for. Both Bush and Trump were not elected by a popular vote. The majority of American are being held hostage by a minority of voters with a disproportionate amount of political power. These un-elected presidents have had such incredibly far-reaching influences on the America…

It's not a technicality. It's the law. The popular vote means nothing in regards to the Presidential election. * The House is voted in by the people. * The Senate is voted in by the states. * The President is voted in by both. No one is being held hostage. This system was created purposefully, and has been the same since its inception. Your opinion on the matter is meaningless.

The majority of Americans did not want either as president. It's not my opinion. It's the opinion of the majority of American voters.

However, the law does not elect a president according to whether or not the American people wish them to be president.

Seems like a technicality to me.