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Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by JohnTHaller »

alex_young wrote: post #122
adzm wrote: post #26

> According to her granddaughter Clara Spera, Ginsburg said, “My most fervent wish is that I will not be replaced until a new president is installed.” https://twitter.com/briantylercohen/status/13071014175225610...

There would seem to be precedent for this now. Justice Antonin Scalia died in February of 2016, a replacement was nominated in March of 2016, and because Scalia's seat had become vacant during an election year, the Senate would not even consider a nomination from the president [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merrick_Garland_Supreme_Court_...

McConnell has already publicly stated that he's bringing a nominee to the senate floor. You didn't think he'd have consistency and integrity even with his own precedent did you?

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by dang »

theshadowknows wrote: post #162

Absolutely. My family is feverishly working on how to leave this hellscape of a country we’re in. The United States is dead.

OK, but please don't post unsubstantive and/or flamebait comments to Hacker News.

We detached this subthread from https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=24523185.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by remote_phone »

tunesmith wrote: post #482
res0nat0r wrote: post #278

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also this is a good article written a few years ago that tries to tamp down a bit of the RBG cult, and that she should have retired during Obamas term if she really was concerned about keeping a liberal justice on the SCOTUS. https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2018/11/what-cult-ruth-...

When? Was she to have perfect foresight in the first two years of Obama's two terms that that was her only window?

It was obvious she should have retired then. I think she was great but her not retiring during Obama’s last term was arrogance. And now there is a good chance that filling the Supreme Court with another republican justice will motivate a lot of anti-trump voters who will hold their nose and vote him in just to pack the courts.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by mythrwy »

gonesberg wrote: post #579
mythrwy wrote: post #562

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And there is the right answer. If you are an American and you are professing hate for America (as many in this thread are) I feel bad for you. This is my home and I love it here. America has made mistakes, it will make more, it has corrupt people, evil people, good people, inventive people, thieving people but it's contributed quite a lot to this world socially, technologically and in many other ways. I find this ent…

Well, this is just how much of the rest of the world sees your country, and in particular, the people who run it. It's basically just the warmongering, racist bully of the world. Widely hated, much despised. You might be proud of the USA thanks to your indoctrination, but that's just blinding you to how horrible it is. Not that I would expect any better from your foul nation. It was literally built on genocide and th…

Warmongering I'll agree with. Powerful interests have made a lot of bad things happen. We can't change the past but we can and should work to change the future.

However, I'm quite pleased we defeated Nazi Germany and hastened the downfall of the Soviet Union. The rest of the world should be as well.

Racist! Nope. There are racist people here. The country as a whole and an institution is not racist at this point and that very simply an untrue (if popular at the moment) claim.

Indoctrination. Ya, like that from the public school system and Reddit being displayed in this thread?

Here's the bottom line for Americans. You live here. There are lots of good things about the essential set up and circumstances of this country. You presumably have to live here. What you have from the past is what you have. So stop your juvenile whining and destructive misplaced hatred and start doing something positive and make the place you live a place you want to be.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by lliamander »

couchand wrote: post #583
lliamander wrote: post #495

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Do not make the mistake of thinking the politicians who represent you are particularly principled people. The left has been talking about stacking the supreme court since Kavanaugh. Democratic senators played games with the filibuster. There are plenty of other examples of weaponizing politics that I could cite (from both sides). I would like to see Senate Republicans show some fair play and wait for after the electi…

Seems highly unlikely that John Roberts would let any decision on the election be that close. He's too much of an institutionalist to not find some way to bring along most, if not all, of the Justices. Given that, it's really quite preferable that the seat go unfilled, eliminating the possibility of a 5-4 decision with Roberts writing the dissent, a situation that really would spell doom for American democracy.

I think that's pretty reasonable.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by staticman2 »

millstone wrote: post #516
kwhat4 wrote: post #260

The republicans know how to win, and will do so by any means necessary. The democrats seem happy taking the high road to yet another humiliating defeat. This is why I'm done voting and pretending it makes a difference.

Republicans do not always win but do play more hardball, and that is not a compliment. They aggressively use anti (small d) democratic tactics like gerrymandering, disfranchisement, etc. They also enjoy a large structural advantage in the Senate, because the average State is more rural and much more white than the average American. Should Democrats win the Presidency and a Senate majority, they should prioritize (sma…

The Republican Supreme Court can say any law passed by a Democrat is unconstitutional. So good look with reforms.

Re: Ruth Bader Ginsburg has died

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Post by JohnTHaller »

pbourke wrote: post #462
ghufran_syed wrote: post #248

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Democrat senators Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid first introduced a filibuster for judicial nominees, and then ending the filibuster for judicial nominees when it was politically convenient for them. https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/mitch-mcconn... Do you think that might have affected the ability of the current president to successfully appoint a supreme court justice now?

> Democrat senators Chuck Schumer and Harry Reid ... *Democratic Chuck Shumer, a Democrat, is a member of the Democratic Party. When used as an adjective the correct usage is “Democratic”

"Democrat" is a Trump-speak signifier and chosen on purpose.

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Post by landryraccoon »

roenxi wrote: post #296
systemvoltage wrote: post #255

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This is the most insane comment I've read in a long time, no offense to you personally. Being friends is orthogonal, and should be orthogonal to one's judgement and their duty as a judge. The entire world would be a better place if they do not follow the argument presented here.

You're not going to like the rest of the American political and justice system. The entire process is based on purposefully creating opposing and disagreeable forces. The whole thing was clearly created on a principle of opposing friendships between powerful forces.

I don't think this is true. In the past people have reached across the aisle to compromise and collaborate successfully.

If your position is right, doesn't that contradict the continued existence of the United States? What's "United" about the US if it breaks down into a bunch of hostile warring tribes?

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Post by ctdeneen »

goldcd wrote: post #585
stickyricky wrote: post #37

I think reading about Ruth and Antonin Scalia's friendship was the most wholesome political reading I've ever done. Hearing people divided in opinion, but not bitterly so, working together to figure out the best framework to construct American society from was inspirational. I hope the two halves of the political world can become friends in the way they were. Rest in peace Ruth. I hope if there's an after you and Ant…

Was so lovely after reading the article, that the point that stuck with me, aligned with your comment right at the top. Maybe there's some sort of new "non-denominational creed" we could all sign up for. ~" We may not agree but I will always listen to you. I will always consider your opinion with respect and will endeavour to understand your reasoning. My views are not set - my goal is to listen to arguments to come…

But with the internet much more of what you do is visible and more people know about it. What you said could be attacked with "white silence is violence"
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