FBI seized PokerStars.com, FullTiltPoker.com, UB.com,... domain names

Post by smokeyj » Fri, Apr 15, 2011, 8:18 PM UTC

Locke1689 wrote: post #170

smokeyj wrote: post #132

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If constitutionality can't be deduced by the constitution, then what deduces it? The opinion of some judges? If our fate is in the hands of a few judges (it is), doesn't this void our "democratic principles"? I can't help but feel our understanding of government isn't much more than catch phrases and sentiment. Patriotism, we the people, one nation under god, the greater good, public servants, all total bs. If we cri…

Your rant is misguided and childish. The law is dynamic because it must be applied in areas where no prior written text has a straightforward conclusion. A simple example is wiretapping laws. Because of historical stare decisis interpretations of the Constitution, it is ruled a violation of the 4th Amendment for the government to wiretap a citizen without a court order. Nowhere in the Constitution is this protection…

Post by dusklight » Fri, Apr 15, 2011, 8:23 PM UTC

nika wrote: post #22

mycroftiv wrote: post #12

This is a disaster. A very sad day for the internet. We are entering into pastor Niemoller territory here: first they came for the file-sharing websites, next they came for the online gambling websites, and I would guess that Bitcoin is probably next in line, and following that, Magic: the Gathering online and the MMORPGs.

I had the opportunity to see Pastor Niemoller's cell once. Out back, behind the building, they had the execution wall. Your reference to Bitcoin is apt, as the government siezed $7M in gold, silver and platinum from a political organization who was advocating the use of generic silver and gold rounds instead of depreciating paper currency.... and just a few weeks ago succeeded in railroading the leader of that organi…

Post by Vivtek » Fri, Apr 15, 2011, 8:31 PM UTC

jotr99 wrote: post #142

Symmetry wrote: post #109

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The law he cites rather explicitly said "in the resemblance of coins of the United States or of foreign countries, or of original design" are all covered. Metal coins of original design are still illegal to manufacture (though I'd agree they shouldn't be).

Interesting, as I have a number of Chuck E. Cheese tokens that appear to fit this description. Why don't we ever hear about FBI raids of kids' pizza / video game parlors?

Post by wnoise » Fri, Apr 15, 2011, 8:33 PM UTC

jackowayed wrote: post #27

nika wrote: post #7

Reagan is the one who signed "asset forfeiture" into law. I remember at the time reading newspaper articles claiming this was "just going to be used to keep drugs off the streets" and how "law enforcement are outgunned and now can defend themselves against drug dealers". It was obvious to me then that this was a violation of due process. Also, it is not authorized by the constitution, and thus every act of seizure un…

> There is a federal law that makes it a felony to violate constitutional rights under color of law. Never heard of that. Link?

Post by [deleted] » Fri, Apr 15, 2011, 8:37 PM UTC

nika wrote: post #178

elliottcarlson wrote: post #169

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You are right - as long as the nomination is exchangeable for U.S. currency and all transactions are taxed accordingly. But on the note of the parent: > Where does one draw the line between bartering with chips and paying with chips? It's not bartering when you are trying to get around things intentionally.

I like how you just assert-- sans any evidence or argument-- that they are trying to "get around things intentionally". You don't even say what things. Don't bother, I don't care. I'm just amazed at the BS this topic has elicited from people, and I am done defending these guys. All the BS is just proof of why the country is going to hell- why the FBI was able to steal $7M in gold, silver and platinum and get away wit…