What happened to Firefox Send? • Hacker News Board

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by brunoqc » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 1:48 PM UTC

nickjj wrote: post #118

This was a great service for transferring 1 off files between 2 people (such as 500mb wav files for podcast episodes which is what I used it for). As it turns out, you can get similar behavior with Dropbox. The person sending the file doesn't need a Dropbox account either. You just send them a URL and then they have permission to upload the file. The only extra step vs Firefox Send is you as the receiver need to dele…

The downside with Dropbox's way is that a lot of people using the link will think that they need to register an account.

I think the link offers you to create one but it's not clear that it's not required.

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by baud147258 » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 1:54 PM UTC

CodesInChaos wrote: post #100

rvba wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Nearly all their "side projects" look like greenfields used by the project teams to boost their CVs so they can land better jobs. Those teams know very well that those projects have no use case, but they dont care. Foundation does not care either, since it is busy with increasing own remuneration and politics. Meanwhile their core product lost around 10 percentage points of market share (from 15% marketshare to 5%):…

> Recently they shipped Firefox for android that feels like alpha version. It is even unclear why did they ship it, they could have waited. Apart from extensions requiring whitelisting, how is it worse than the old mobile FF? I didn't notice any new bugs and it fixed the issues I had with the address bar hiding being fickle.

That's a personal preference, but I prefer the way the tabs were shown in the older version, I could see more at the same time and reorganize them

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by kalenx » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 2:01 PM UTC

natch wrote: post #109

jfk13 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how many working on Firefox? 50? and 950 doing various (useless) side projects? You have a source for those numbers? It looks to me like you're just making them up because you want to sling mud.

There were question marks along with the numbers. Clearly it’s a rhetorical device, presenting a reasonable speculation that matches the evidence (number of projects, and quality), as part of the natural flow of the writer making their point.

Sorry, but a team of 50 persons in total to support a project as complex as Firefox is not reasonable speculation at all.

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by mitjak » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 2:01 PM UTC

feralimal wrote: post #86

40four wrote: post #32

Too bad. I really enjoyed using it while it was up. The code is open source, and they have docs on how to set it up for self hosting. I wonder if there is a chance some active forks might live on? https://github.com/mozilla/send https://github.com/mozilla/send/blob/master/docs/deployment....

resilio too

doesnt it require a resilio client on the other end?

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by somebodythere » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 2:05 PM UTC

perryizgr8 wrote: post #105

blooalien wrote: post #53

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Terrible shame how lame people somehow always find a way to ruin everything good they find online for everyone else without a second thought about it. :(

So the problem is that people used a service for doing what it said it should be used for? Private file sharing.

A person abusing the privacy features of a file sharing platform to send unwanted files that damage people's computers is in fact, a bad thing

That is not an argument against privacy but it does make it harder to provider private services

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by badsectoracula » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 2:06 PM UTC

kalenx wrote: post #123

natch wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There were question marks along with the numbers. Clearly it’s a rhetorical device, presenting a reasonable speculation that matches the evidence (number of projects, and quality), as part of the natural flow of the writer making their point.

Sorry, but a team of 50 persons in total to support a project as complex as Firefox is not reasonable speculation at all.

Is it? I feel that people vastly overestimate the actual number of competent programmers (not managers, CxOs, etc) many projects need.

Consider that even here on HN we have one person who wrote their own HTML5 renderer, JS-like scripting language, CSS, etc from scratch (csmile). How do you figure that to go from that to what is needed to make a browser that renders sites properly you need to add more than 49 additional programmers?

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by emerongi » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 2:10 PM UTC

natch wrote: post #109

jfk13 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how many working on Firefox? 50? and 950 doing various (useless) side projects? You have a source for those numbers? It looks to me like you're just making them up because you want to sling mud.

There were question marks along with the numbers. Clearly it’s a rhetorical device, presenting a reasonable speculation that matches the evidence (number of projects, and quality), as part of the natural flow of the writer making their point.

From experience, what happens internally in an organization is quite different from what is visible from the outside. Making up numbers like that is just a terrible insult to the people who work on a lot of useful stuff in Mozilla.

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by jfk13 » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 2:11 PM UTC

natch wrote: post #109

jfk13 wrote: post #101

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how many working on Firefox? 50? and 950 doing various (useless) side projects? You have a source for those numbers? It looks to me like you're just making them up because you want to sling mud.

There were question marks along with the numbers. Clearly it’s a rhetorical device, presenting a reasonable speculation that matches the evidence (number of projects, and quality), as part of the natural flow of the writer making their point.

It wasn't a "reasonable speculation". More like pure fiction, simply intended to denigrate the target.

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by oconnor663 » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 2:17 PM UTC

rvba wrote: post #95

torben-friis wrote: post #43

I really don't understand it. - Content was used to spread malware/illegal content - It was not profitable How are those two things something you find out after the fact? What was the reasoning for launching the product in the first place?

Nearly all their "side projects" look like greenfields used by the project teams to boost their CVs so they can land better jobs. Those teams know very well that those projects have no use case, but they dont care. Foundation does not care either, since it is busy with increasing own remuneration and politics. Meanwhile their core product lost around 10 percentage points of market share (from 15% marketshare to 5%):…

> Those teams know very well that those projects have no use case, but they dont care.

This seems like a case of "hindsight is 20/20". There are tons of successful projects that had people saying things like this about them at the start. When it works, we call it bold risk-taking. But when it doesn't work, we feel like we always knew it wasn't going to work.

Re: What happened to Firefox Send?

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Post by AnonHP » Fri, Sep 18, 2020, 2:20 PM UTC

Tangentially, I wonder what's happening with Lockwise. [1] It also seems to be languishing without significant improvements. I was expecting it to be a competitor, at least on mobile, to the likes of Bitwarden, 1Password, and other solutions.

[1]: https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/lockwise/