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Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Perhaps I am naive, but for me something simple like: "Warning, the following content may offend some listeners and contain factual inaccuracies. The content presented does not represent the views of blah blah" Would help Certainly, I appreciate Facebook's "Sensitive Content" screen, and wish it was used more widely on content.

This warning is implied for all information, all the time.

Originally this comment irritated me a little, but to be quite honest I think it is reasonable and desirable to retrain everyone to think this way. If some content is a big problem for you, then you can and should definitely stop consuming it - warning stickers aren't going to help you do that and will never cover the nuance of sensibility you have as a real human being anyway.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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He had Abigail Shrier as a guest to promote her book called Irreversible Damage: The Transgender Craze Seducing Our Daughters , so that's kind of a bright line?

She brought attention that people put social pressure on underage teens to get trans operation without their parents' consent. I would be very angry if it would happen to my 13-17 year old daughter, as children in that age are not yet capable of understanding the consequences of the operation for there whole life (includung shortening it and making it painful by injecting hormones).

While on one hand yes, I understand that as a parent you want to guard your children against decisions that you feel might negatively impact them you have to keep in mind that there is a reason why a teenager goes to someone else with their problems. That reason starts with your behaviour as the parent, and not with an environmental factor.

That said, children are not your property. They are your responsibility. If you're doing your job right, they've at that point been educated about what it means when someone transitions and what sort of impact it has on their life. During that talk, I expect you would speak about why you think that shouldn't happen before they're done growing.

Out of respect for the emotional place this post most likely came from, I will refrain from addressing the frankly problematic sentence you put between hypotheses at the end of your post at length.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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I am posting this because there seems to be a large misunderstanding about the Alex Jones episodes being "removed" by Spotify. I am also going to give you a warning. I am going to post a link to Infowars, yes, that Infowars. It is one of the few sources that actually attempts to clarify the story behind the "removed" episodes. If you are a reasonable person, you would take this opportunity to reevaluate the sources y…

> If you are a reasonable person

Alex Jones plays an insane persona to make money off of his viewers. This is an established fact that he himself has admitted to. Thus, taking the words of what is essentially a cartoon character as any kind of truth is in itself the evidence of someone who has lost touch with reality. If that is you, you need (and deserve) help.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Private companies censoring isn't a new thing. Regardless, information is shared as such a rate now that comparing them to anecdotes from the 80s isn't even applicable. I'd have trouble believing a radio talk show host from the 80s would host self-proclaimed neo nazis like Joe Rogan has. If anything, speech is so free now that we see opinions that wouldn't have seen the light of day a few decades ago. Which is why co…

Did Joe Rogan literally proclaim himself as a neo-nazi or is it a hyperbole? Genuinely curious, since a quick web search didn't shed any light in that question

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Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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post #103

Cancel culture at it's best. What happened to freedom of speech, freedom of opinion, freedom to choose. If Spotify were smart they wouldn't censor any of the podcasts. Instead they would put a Twitter like message warning the user... As a way to satisfy the cancel culture crowd. I don't care about Joe or his views. But I do care about people having choice and freedom

Freedom of speech applies only to government not being allowed to censor anyone. A private company may do whatever they want

Freedom of speech is a concept that exists independently of any law or government. Just because it is not illegal for private companies to censor speech does not mean that it is not infringing on the concept of freedom of speech.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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>Puberty blockers aren't exactly reversible That's not what the medical consensus[1] says. I hope you have some damn good evidence to the contrary if you want to deny tens of thousands of people access to life-saving medical treatment. [1] https://www.seattlechildrens.org/pdf/PE2572.pdf

It’s really not which is why medical associations are putting more strongly worded guidance these days: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-nhs-has-quietly-chan...

Quoting the spectator destroys any kind of argument you're trying to make. The Spectator isn't a credible source for any medical information, especially for anything about GIDS and GICS.

They're an explicitly anti-trans publication, and have posted many articles railing against trans acceptance.

James Kirkup spends his days posting anti-trans material on twitter.

Because he's driven by his ideology of hate he makes a load of mistakes throughout this article. For example:

> Although the Gender Identity Development Service (GIDS) advises this is a physically reversible treatment if stopped, it is not known what the psychological effects may be.

This isn't talking about the effects of hormone suppressants, it's talking about the psychological harm of discontinued transition for people with gender dysphoria. If you start a course of treatment thinking you're finally on a pathway to full transition, and then you have to stop for some reason, that stoppage causes harm.

Another example is the way he claims to be talking about puberty suppressants, but then links the list off effects for cross-sex hormones. Those are never given to people under 16 in England, so they're not relevant to a discussion of puberty suppressants.

> why has the NHS so significantly changed its main publication on hormone treatment for children without any announcement or fanfare?

Because that's how the NHS website works. This is, frankly, a silly point.

> Given that the NHS now says that hormone therapy for gender-variant children has unknown long-term effects on the physical and mental health of those children, why is the NHS still using such treatments on children?

We don't know if these are harmful or not (but all the evidence we have so far suggests not). But we do know that denying children access to these meds causes harm. There's not much difference here between puberty suppressants and many other meds used for children. We don't know the long term effects of a bunch of meds, but you don't hear the Spectator ever talking about those meds.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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This warning is implied for all information, all the time.

Originally this comment irritated me a little, but to be quite honest I think it is reasonable and desirable to retrain everyone to think this way. If some content is a big problem for you, then you can and should definitely stop consuming it - warning stickers aren't going to help you do that and will never cover the nuance of sensibility you have as a real human being anyway.

In a world of infinite scroll and autoplay, they are occasionally appreciated, however.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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post #226

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It’s really not which is why medical associations are putting more strongly worded guidance these days: https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-nhs-has-quietly-chan...

Quoting the spectator destroys any kind of argument you're trying to make. The Spectator isn't a credible source for any medical information, especially for anything about GIDS and GICS. They're an explicitly anti-trans publication, and have posted many articles railing against trans acceptance. James Kirkup spends his days posting anti-trans material on twitter. Because he's driven by his ideology of hate he makes a…

I’m not quoting the spectator I’m showcasing the changes the NHS has implemented to their guidance following the investigation into the Tavistock clinic and the studies the NHS commissioned.

We don’t know anything yet mostly because we don’t actually have studies in which puberty blockers were reversed all the studies such as those in the Tavistock clinic the the Dutch Study that showed that puberty blockers are safe didn’t actually had cases where these were stopped but in all cases went into cross hormone therapy and then surgical transition, those that didn’t end in suicide or severe self harm at least.

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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Why do you care what Rogan says? With the way you describe him it’s clear you don’t like him. Don’t pay attention to him, then. The problem is people today who go against the grain are vilified by these bleeding heart outraged critics who have nothing better to do than attempt to cancel people. People are fed up with it.

I like him, I'm supporting his idea of giving anyone the right to express their ideas. Therefore, I'm interested in the people that also have their concerns about his shows and Spotify's business decisions and they must be heard/read, why are you intolerant to other views and want to censor them by suggesting people to turn their heads? That sounds like canceling to me and btw I don't want to cancel anybody.

A suggestion to ignore something is not censorship.

You are conflating speech with the actual censorship of speech.

Is this a George Orwell parody account?

Re: Spotify reportedly fighting with employees about hosting episodes of Joe Rogan

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This is rather funny, because all the incentives are backwards. Joe Rogan used to be available on rss, and anyone could listen in any podcast player. Now Spotify bought him out, limiting his reach and making him only available on spotify. If the employees succeed, Rogan will revert to rss and become....more widely available. I am deeply opposed to Spotify’s efforts to close off the podcast ecosystem, so I hope the em…

But RSS distribution is hard to monetize. That's why a big part of the JRE podcast business model was uploading the videos to YouTube and also create all the highlights and such. But in YouTube they got several videos demonetized, so there's really no escape. This is the distribution problem. If you don't have distribution and rely on others for that you have to play by their rules even if they are ridiculous or brok…

Wonder how much he monetizes from the in show ads.
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